The only one I have grown is Souvenir du Dr. Jamain & it blackspotted horribly. Now, to be fair, I had read that it required some shade to have the best colour blooms; this I did & after 3 years removed it, I am no-spray.

Thanks, Smithdale. I've heard that SdDJ was hard to keep healthy so it doesn't surprise me..

A few people on this forum, myself included, have the High Country Roses Gloire de Dijon. As you note, it isn't really yellow, though it does have a sort of yellow/parchment color to the substance of its petals. Its color fluctuates from pink to salmon to buff to something more peachy-golden here in Seattle. I'm not sure what it would look like in your conditions, as variable as it has been here. You may have read some of the threads which discuss this rose as notoriously difficult. Thus far it has been fine here, but I've only had it for a couple of years now, so it is too soon to call it a success. It does get black spot in a more dramatic fashion than any other rose I have, so that might be its eventual undoing. The flowers are beautifully formed, and it has a great will to bloom. If you decide to try it, I'd suggest you consider it an experiment, given this rose's reputation. I'm fond of it, and am glad to be growing it.

I have the HCG's Glorie de Dijon too, and it is beautiful. I have Souv du Dr. Jamain here too and would also recommend him.

Thanks, KS. How odd that GdD blackspots to that degree. My teas and tea-noisettes are the most blackspot free of my whole garden. They seem to require three conditions here to do well; direct sun all day, protection from the north and western winds in winter and perfect drainage. Perfect drainage is a given for me unless water begins running uphill. I'm lucky when it comes to wind protection since our neighborhood and natural surroundings help. Direct, all day sun is harder to come by but I reserve those spots for teas and tea-noisettes. It indeed would be an experiment here.

Thanks, Sheila. You must have the right touch.

Thanks, Melissa. If it works for you, it's worth a try for me. I have been thinking that the apothecary rose might make a nice addition for potpourri.

The Apothecary Rose will run a bit, but hasn't been that difficult to control. Basically, if it wants more sun, it will go looking for it. Aside from that, the situation sounds fine.

Thanks, Mad-Gallica. It isn't a priority that this rose be perfectly behaved. Just beyond the herb garden is a line of iris in front of a vacant lot. And by "vacant", I mean "filled with aggressive weeds and saplings". I hope it will add some color to the herb garden in spring and in winter (hips) when the garden can look pretty sad.

Souviner du dr Jamain was doing great, had it a few years and it just threw me some beautiful huge canes, and then a vole decided it looked good for breakfast...it was doing awesome for me though. I hope to try it again someday.

I hope someone can let you know about the hybrid china. Most curious about that one myself.

Thanks, Alana. i wonder where SdDJ's happy place is. Evidently you and Sheila must have found it. I

I hope that anyone who grows some of the found rouses. will be inspired to share their experience with us.

I grew SdDJ, years ago. It had good foliage -- but in those days, we sprayed. We lost it to the root gall that affected all of our Heirloom Old Garden Roses plants. I've often wondered what it might have done, had it not been so-afflicted.

I had him in morning sun, afternoon shade...maybe that can help you!

Thanks, Jeri. My major disease, aside from RRD, is blackspot. I wonder how well SdDJ can cope with our particular strain(s). You know, I'm playing with house money here, so to speak. I should just try it.

Alana, that does help. That's where I was planning on putting him.