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My clematis have never really taken off, need help

7 years ago

I have bought clematis as bare roots as well as potted clematis plants. I know the potted ones don't necessarily mean that root ball is anything big, but it just looks nice up top when I buy them.


So I try to follow the instructions of growing and waiting for 3-4 years, after which time, the clematis root should have had lots of time to mature and put out better leafy/flowery growth.


However, every one that I buy, invariably looks weak and feeble from year to year.


What's worse is that I don't even see new shoots coming from the ground. What happens is that new stems grow from the (seemingly) dead stems above the ground. The previous stems look all brown and weak/dry looking, but somehow...one or two green stems start growing at a leaf node each year, and that is what becomes my weak-looking show of clematis for that year. In this kind of case, i have to be so careful not to lose these dead-looking stems because that's where I get all the new growth from.


What am I doing wrong and is there something I'm missing?



Comments (12)

  • 7 years ago

    Dunno :-) Do you plant them deeply and prune back hard the first couple of years? Both of those practices encourage better root system development and more stem development from the root crown. I also like to mulch with alflalfa, bunny poop or use an alfalfa meal fertilizer as alfalfa has a natural growth hormone that encourages basal shooting or the development of more stems from the root crown.

  • 7 years ago

    Some clematis varieties die to the ground in winter and new stems come from the plant in spring. Other varieties, like the ones you apparently have, retain last years stems and new growth comes from them. This is normal. Since the new growth is weak, the problem is probably related to where they are growing, the condition of the soil, how they are fed etc. You need to tell us about those factors.

  • 7 years ago

    Hmmmm.....other than the fully herbaceous, nonvining types of clematis, none of mine has ever died all the way back to the ground! And I have grown all types :-) That might be something that happens in colder climates but here, all vining clematis will develop a thick, woody trunk (or mutiple trunks) in time.

  • 7 years ago

    I’m by no means an expert but my beginning experience with clematis was much like yours. I had two (nelly moser and jackmanii) that were amazing from the start but all the rest were just....ehhh. For years.

    And them I found this site and learned about how deeply they like to be planted and wow, night and day difference.

    Now I get new shoots growing from the ground on all of them. So while I think water and fertilizer are important I 100% believe that if you dig them up and plant them deeper you will be pleased with the results.

  • 7 years ago

    Clematis like Jackmanii bloom on new wood so the old stems can be removed in early spring.

  • 7 years ago

    Not all the way to the ground :-) New wood blooming clems - pruning group 3 - can be pruned back to the 2nd or third set of leaf axils....or 12-18" from the ground.

    And with Jackmanii, you also have the option of pruning like a type 2. Or not at all if that method floats your boat...although that does leave a rather messy tangle of old vines and elevates where the flowering starts on the vine.

  • 7 years ago

    Gardengal, I prune Jackmanii to the ground. The new stems emerge at ground level and the plant stays neat and tidy.

  • 7 years ago

    OP here.

    I do remember the names like Nelly Moser and Jackmanii as two of the types of clematis that I have. None of mine become woody over time. They look like dry grass stalks, as well as having same texture, and pretty much look dead, until such time as the new spring growth pops up from one of the leaf nodes, leading me to realize there is still life in that particular basal stem. But it means I feel like I have to be extra careful because the weak and dead looking basal stem looks so weak, I could basically break it just by brushing up against it wrong.


    As the growing season goes on, I don't really get more basal stem. I just get that new growth (from the leaf node) being the one that grows for the plant that year.


    I planted mine about 3-4" deep as a bare root. Once it was growing up year after year, I did not re-do it (plant it deeper) since I always worry about disturbing it. I mulch around the area for giving it added moisture retention as well as breaking down and adding to the nutrients in the immediate area. I do not add other kinds of fertilizer very often, such as spraying or watering it with foliar feedings or root feeding fertilizer.



  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Do you ever cut them back? As said above, deep planting and pruning will help create fuller plants.

  • 7 years ago

    I didn't cut them back in the early years because each spring, I saw this kind of condition -- a weak , dry looking stem, and I thought the root would need whatever growth was there, coming out, to get stronger. However, that seems to be what I should have done anyway.


  • 7 years ago

    Pruning, even severe drastic pruning HELPS Clematis. I would cut them all back drastically and mulch with alfalfa pellets/meal. I buy a big bag of alfalfa pellet horse feed for ten bucks at the feed store rather than a little box of meal at the nursery.

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