Got pix?

You're ahead of me, Jeri, but here they are. Posting pictures in the OP is a dangerous endeavour, and I'm too old to be dangerous.

It reminds me of my General Schablikine, Ingrid. That is a wonderful rose I think. Not CC.

I've learned that if I reduce the size of the photo files, they post instantly. Not Clementina. Not Mme. Lambard.

Sheila, after studying the photos on hmf I think you may be right that this is General Schablikine. It does have the same pendulous habit of the flowers and the star-shaped arrangement of the blooms. My rose appears to have a less full appearance, i.e. fewer petals, but otherwise it's very similar.

I wonder if more petals will come when it is older, Ingrid. One thing is General Schablikine has an S shaped neck. I think I see that in some of your photos. I thought the Tea ladies book mentioned that.

Oy vey, comtesse, please say it isn't so! Still, I'm touched that you remember my aversion to General G. Judging by appearance my rose could possibly be this dreaded one, and it's really difficult to tell the two generals apart. Either one would be too large to occupy this particular position, which would have been fine for Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux, at least judging by the RJG I already have, in a similarly shaded position. What to do, what to do, and I have no idea. Nothing for now would be best I think, and perhaps I'll learn to love this rose, although I have my doubts.

Ingrid, I have both and this one of yours looks much more like my GS. My baby GG was "breathtaking" last Summer, so I know what you mean.

Above GS.

GS above

GG above

GG above as a baby.

GS at two years old.

GG later last Summer, first year in the ground.

In real life, I think they look totally different. Maybe the photos don't fully express that. Ingrid, give him a chance. I bet if you took the photos, Ingrid, they would be clearer.

I don't find either of them particularly large yet.

Comtesse, you are so right about GG's heat tolerance. He was such a stalwart, brave soul last Summer. I agree, for Ingrid's sake, he may not be her first choice. I'm still hoping hers is GS. Here they are both great, and I am developing more affection for GG over time. I am less specific in my plant loves, apparently.

Sheila, I studied this rose again, and several of the stalks definitely have the S shape that you mention as being characteristic of General S. In looking at your photos (thank you for these, by the way) I do really like General S, which seems to have a much more graceful form in addition to a prettier flower. For now, at least, I'll think of this rose as being General Schablikine. I'm glad that yours is not unusually large, although of course the teas just keep on growing for many years, and I'll try to keep it within bounds with gentle trimming when needed. I'll give myself plenty of time to grow fond of this rose. They so often change in character from what they look like when young, and it will be interesting to see it develop. The color is a bit more strident than I'd like, but I notice that yours is a much nicer color so there may be hope yet.

I think Sheila’s right—-your rose curls it’s petals the same way my baby GS does. I hope mine will grow to be as pretty as yours and Sheila’s! He’s growing at what I would call Grandpa speed here, which is a little odd. :-)

That's good to know, Perma, that yours looks similar to mine. A lot depends, I think, on whether a rose is being raised from a band or a two-gallon size in how fast the rose jumps forward. I have a rose (Florence Bowers) which gets really huge, but in my garden this band has sat there for over two years and it's still only a foot tall and less than that wide. Naturally the roses that you're eager to see grow fast and bloom a lot are the ones that stubbornly refuse to grow. At any rate I'm happy that you also think I have General Schablikine.

Ingrid -- How large is the container for "Florence Bowers Pink Tea"?

The reason I ask is -- 'Noella Nabonnand' was doing that, here. I whined about it to Gregg Lowery, and he told me it would do that until it went into the ground. He was right. We put it into the ground, and it immediately quadrupled in size. Perhaps "FBPT" is doing the same?

I hope your rose is 'General Schablikine', Ingrid, because it's as beautiful a rose as there is, a classic Tea. Mine has been growing in its spot for about thirteen years and has finally gotten up to to a good size, about 5' x 5', but that's in unfriendly conditions. I've never gotten over a lovely specimen I saw many years ago at Villa Hanbury.

I agree that the summer color of 'General Gallieni' is awful, burnt-looking brick and flame, but if it flowers in cool weather the colors soften to terracotta shades and are actually quite pleasant.

Jeri, would that it were true, but FBPT went straight into the ground, which I do with 99% of my roses, no matter what their size, but this particular rose seemed not to like that. However, I wonder if our hot and relatively rainless climate over the last few years had something to do with it being so stunted. It put on a little growth this spring after the rains but by no means did it shoot up. I'm going to treat it to some fish meal to see if that helps.

Melissa, I tried to find the rose you mention at Villa Hanbury but no luck, mostly it was Rose Hanbury I found, a socialite of no particular interest to me. However, I'm encouraged by your praise of GS, and by the fact that it isn't huge for you. Mine will receive more water, I imagine, but otherwise my roses are pretty well on their own.

Could Ingrid's rose be Monsieur Tillier? http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.33816

This is my Monsieur Tillier.