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This Soil Needs More Than Amending

7 years ago

I have a 8'X4' patch in my yard that will not grow anything, ever. (OK. A few random weeds.) I put sod on it after a stone patio was built in the yard, directly adjacent to this dead patch. The sod never sent roots into the underlying soil and died. I just peeled it off as easily as I laid it. I raked it and spread bagged topsoil over it to about 3 inches deep. I planted a mix of quick growing annual grass and slower-germinating perennial grass seeds, fertilized, covered with burlap, and had a nice crop of annual grass. The perennial grasses didn't take (although they also grew, but less enthusiastically) and the next year I had no regrowth. I have sown seeds and fertilized (NOT with an herbicide that suppresses germination) this year. Nothing but dirt and a few weeds, although I still hold a little spark of hope; it's been very cold here (Western NY, zone 6). We've dropped below freezing at night a couple of times in the last two weeks. I looked at my county extension webpage, and they will tell me the pH of my soil. For more analysis, they refer to another service that will analyze the nutrients already in the soil and make recommendations, but I don't think that nutrients are the problem. The rest of the yard is good. It's just this one patch. What should I do?

Comments (7)

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for your reply. I can't imagine what it might have been, unless there was something in the hardscaping process that might have been a problem. I would love to get it analyzed, but, as you say, for what? And where? Who does that kind of analysis? It would probably be cheaper to get someone out to remove all of it and replace it with new, healthy soil.

  • 7 years ago

    Contact your local extenson service office or better full service nursery. They can direct you to soil testing labs in your area.

    Removal and replacement is always an option but might be more of a project/ordeal than you think. To remove to a reasonable depth is bordering on a full cubic yard of soil. That's a lot of heavy material to remove and replace.........and may be unnecessary.

  • 7 years ago

    Yes; that would be a very last resort, and it would have to be hired out, which I would prefer to avoid. The extension service only tests for pH and recommends labs that will look at nutrient levels. I fertilize there, but not excessively so, so it can't be nutrients. I still wonder if it has something to do with the stonescape installation. Thanks for your reply!


  • 7 years ago

    My guess is it is highly compacted and acidic, or there is hard pan or an impervious object not far under the soil surface. Have you tried digging deep in the area? I was digging in such an area of my yard and found an old patio buried a couple inches under the soil (its an old property). Try digging it up and adding compost or organic material like shredded leaves or alfalfa pellets.

  • 7 years ago

    What Skip said - start digging way down. The possibilities are endless, especially if your area was settled long ago - oil tank, old wading pool (my neighbor found that), old patio, chunks of cement, old dry well (which means ballast stones, which will stop anything rooting). You may not need new soil, depending on what you find.

  • 7 years ago
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    The simplest explanation is pH way out of whack, and usually that's from something like concrete. I'd get the pH tested first and go from there. Make sure you get a good representative sample - take it from several spots, a cylinder several inches deep, and mix them, then fill a clean jar or baggie.

    Someone said 'acidic', I guess it could be, but there are not many ways for a patch like that to get permanently much more acidic than the surroundings, whereas concrete is a very common cause of high pH (alkaline). You didn't say where you are, East, West, arid, wet? What is the natural pH supposed to be there?

    If it's not pH then take a sample to the soil lab and have it tested for nutrients - P and K (N is not that important yet so if it's extra $ you can skip it), Ca, Mg at a minimum. This test will also (should anyway) give an idea of total salts. If someone dumped a bag of softener salt there, the excess sodium can occupy all the exchange sites on the soil surface, displacing all the Mg, Ca, etc. and basically killing the soil for some time.

    I would not start worrying about toxic contaminants till you eliminate the simplest and most commen causes. If there are no strange odors or colors, it's unlikely to be something like that. Even herbicides break down eventually. But it could be a persistent herbicide, or simply an amount large enough that it's lasting awhile. How long has it been bare?

    It's pretty weird that you put 3" of bagged topsoil on top and grass still wouldn't grow. Whatever it is, it's fairly potent.