The Marie Pavies that I got from ARE a couple of years ago were the ones that were not as full. You might want to call them and ask about it. The MP that I got from Roses Unlimited is the fully double light pink one. Others may chime in about what their MP's are like and where they got them.

Do you think ARE might have sent you Marie Daly by mistake? It's the pinker version of Marie Pavie.

The other possibility is that the first rose from ARE was not Marie Pavie, which is a possibility since MP isn't particularly famous for it's stamens. But if that's the case, not sure what your first rose could have been. Maybe one of the other dwarfish polyanthas like Mignonette or Paquerette? Not sure what ARE was carrying 20 years ago.

Just occurred to me that they sell a little found poly called Lindee. Could it be that?

I grow Lindee and I would doubt ithat is It. Lindee has very tiny tiny fluffy flowers. It's a lovely little plant and extremely Hardy. Zero.die-back at -7 Fahrenheit and it's growing like a weed this spring. They have been numerous discussions about the double and semi double forms of MP. Mine is from ARE, but it was eaten by deer last year and has not yet bloomed this year.

Yes! Show us a picture!

oldrosegirl, there are old discussions on this very topic with the Vintage clone being double and the ARE clone being semi-double. i wonder if ARE has obtained the double form as many people preferred it. I distinctly remembering asking last year on this forum which clone ARE sold (as I wanted the double) and being told that was what they carried. Hmmmm. Maybe I can find that post. Meanwhile, I would call.

I got mine from Chamblee's 2 years ago. It looks just like yours and like the photo in the Chamblee's webpage, definitely not like the photo in the ARE page. Mine's definitely not a single.

The Chamblee's website says Marie Pavie has 17-25 petals, and is "creamy white" while Marie Daly has same # petals and is "medium pink." I don't think I have Marie Daly--these roses are always very pale.

All but a couple of the helpmefind photos also show light pink and not-single flowers. It would be interesting to ask ARE if that photo they have on their website is representative of the mature plant(s) from which they are currently propagating.

When you said that you had gone through the catalog but didn't see your rose, I misunderstood, thinking you meant the rose from 20 years ago, but now I see you meant your current rose.

Last night I went to the internet archive to look at older screen shots of ARE's Marie Pavie. Their previous picture showed something more semi double:

Their current picture shows something that is more or less a single.

Like others have said, there was a discussion some ten years back about this. I remember Randy in Texas (GNabbonand) having ARE's MP, and buying the fully double Vintage clone to compare, and Vintage's was much fuller than ARE's. I think the conclusion was that some less double sports of MP had appeared over time, and some nurseries were selling those. An 1889 reference at HMF says MP was "quite double."

It's possible that ARE has replaced their less double (or single!) sport with the fully double one, but haven't updated their picture yet.

FWIW, here's the Marie Pavie that I got from ARE. There is, of course variability in the form of the flowers during the summer. I think they opened up more last year, and had better form. Still whimsically formed but better last year.

Yes, when I went back in old posts covering this topic, the RU clone was said to be fully double. Perhaps the OP's cutting was taken from a sporting cane?