I had wondered about Lady Salisbury, but the fragrance is light. It's no longer available in the US.

Wisley 2008 has wonderful fragrance, it's a light pink with similar size blooms.

Lady Salisbury

Wisley 2008

Barbara Austin has pale pink blooms.

Barbara Austin

Well, at first I thought it was not Eglantyne, but now I wonder if it could be. Eglantyne has a delicious scent like rosewater.

It's a challenging ID... sorry for all these posts...

Eglantyne

Krista, do you not think it might be 'Gentle Hermione'?

Marlorena, I'm glad you mention GH, as I had wondered about this as well. I don't grow GH, so I'm not very familiar with it.

Eglantyne has coarse foliage, very thick main canes and quite twiggy.

..it's fairly new to me too... I only have a couple photos of blooms.. but I just took these to show foliage and thorns... I'm not certain if they fit the i.d. but just to rule it in or out..

..very thorny first 2 foot or so...

..but few or none higher up..

blooms from last year.. these may not be typical but it's strongly scented..

one of Austins most highly scented I believe..

How about Sharifa Asma?

I don't think it is Sharifa, but had been thinking about this and wondering...

Some more pictures of Eglantyne. It often has a button eye, but not all the time.

Edit: it defoliates from blackspot, these pics are how it looks in June.

This does have a button eye from time to time. I will post pics from 2018 shortly. It had a growth spurt and is also very hardy with tall surviving cane at -7F and multiple single digit days. Also, notice that the buds have that light strip on the sepals and are much darker than they open. BS resistance is so-so. Originally terrible, but improving. I had also thought GH.

The roses they had that year (with the buried DA tags) were Tess, Falstaff, Darcey Bussell, QoS. There were a couple others I have to look up.

The rose society I belong to recently had its annual exhibition. My friend Tom brought this beautiful Eglantyne bloom that won Queen of the Show! It has a lovely button eye that made me think it might be your mystery Austin.

Hope this is it!

Ann

Could it be The Alnwick Rose? A quote from DA's "The English Roses" describes The Alnwick as "flowers are medium sized and pleasing at all stages, being deeply cupped and incurved at first, gradually opening a little to show attractively crinkled petals within - with the slightest tinge of yellow at the centre". It is also described as highly fragrant.

I will look into these. People say the Austin pinks are similar, but I find that once I know a plant it's obvious what it is as they vary so much in bush shape, how they hold their flowers, scent, leaves, sepals, thorns.... etc. So hard to tell just from the bloom.

Month of May 2018.

Starting to climb.

Defoliation.

Thorns and leaves.

Very tall.

Flowers.

St. Swithun?

Could it be Cottage Rose?

So wanted to mention but this Rose always always has blooms on it. Also has flushes but in between always blooms. This is why I keep it even when it got black spot.

wow! I have so many to look up and read about I will do this tonight. I thought When it grew up and got so tall and thorny that it would be easier to identify! Lol! :-) leave it to me to have the hard one.

I think noseometer is right on

Cottage Rose?

In your last series of pictures, there are photos that look like Eglantyne. Pics 1 and 11 especially. Pic 6 shows the twigs coming from the main cane, mine look that way.

Your description of some of the characteristics match Eglantyne: heavenly sweet fragrance like classic rosewater, extremely hardy, good blooming. These are typical characteristics of Eglantyne.

I think it resembles Eglantyne, but it does not look like a mature plant. How old is it?

IMHO it is not The Alnwick Rose, not The Shepherdess.

Krista, I would agree with you. It is not Alnwick nor Sharifa Asma both of which I grow or have grown. Not Jubilee Celebration (nice scent) as the colors of the buds are not correct. Not Emily as you can't get that rose any longer (although she does have that button eye). Not Sister Elizabeth (she is a short floppy thing) although she did have that button eye. Not PA of K. Not Pretty Jessica (thornless just about and no button eye). Not Brother Cadfael (no button eye but fabulous scent and bloom shape is different).

thank you guys so much. I think it is a process of elimination. I will post some Bush shots today to show its growth now that I have it leaning over on the balustrade. Those other pictures were from 2018. Only the very first two blooms were from this year as we are only starting to bloom here.

I got this bush from Lowe's in poor shape end of season 2016. defoliated during the fall. The last group of pictures were from last year. So two years at that age. This will be its third year so it is starting to mature a little bit.

This is my Eglantyne's first spring so it's still a tiny plant. But she produced these lovely very fragrant blooms.

Good luck!

Ann

Here are some pictures I took yesterday. This does not show the full height as I have Arch them back towards the balustrade. Also some of the rows behind this one is New Dawn. Now that the temp has shot up it is starting to exhibit The Dread black spot. I hope these latest pictures help. Click to see full picture. Thank you everybody.

How much dieback do you get on this one? Is it pruned in the spring or do you let it do it’s thing? Eglantyne is one of my hardiest. The upright, narrow growth habit is like mine as well. However, the slight yellow at the base of the petals is something I have never seen on Eglantyne but I do not see this in all of your pics and so perhaps it could be present during certain conditions (?). I do not grow Cottage Rose but the pics on HMF and elsewhere seem to show that slight hint of yellow at the base of the petals. Eglantyne has a terrific fragrance but so does Cottage Rose supposedly. Eglantyne is not continual blooming, though - at least for me.

This is almost tip party for me. I hardly have to prune it. Ingrid Ingrid, there's a beautiful pictures. I'm not sure that mine has quite so many petals. It looks like it in the picture but in the side and you can see in the opening but it looks a little less petal pack.

I also cast my vote for St. Swithun. It has a similar structure. Besides the ones already nixed, it's not Wildeve, who is shorter and no fragrance.

Unfortunately Austin has so many pinks that look similar. If I look at Austin's US site, Cottage Rose does not appear at all, so who knows?

It can be difficult to identify roses from photos, however, I think it looks like Eglantyne. I sometimes see yellow on the blooms like this:

Eglantyne

or the first pic here: Eglantyne on Austin site

IMHO, it is not Olivia Rose Austin, Cottage Rose or St. Swithun.

This is a pic showing buds on Eglantyne

Would counting the petals be helpful?

Many of my roses have fewer petals in August than June. Even in June the blooms might vary day-to- day due to weather, insect damage etc. as the spring season unfolds.

Counting petals provides additional information, but should be placed in context with other factors.

I just wanted to get a record as DA lists a range for each rose. For instance, my rose NEVER seems to have as many petals as the gorgeous cottage rose Ingrid posted and seems more in line with the Eglantyne pics.

I can't take a photo of my St Swithun because have of the roots have been eaten by a gopher. It is tall and lanky and the color is right, vapor.

The thorns might be a big clue, along with petal count. Cottage Rose is a thorny bugga...but lovely! I used to grow it, too. Who knew that pink Austins were so varied? Carol

Argh, Sheila!

Here is St Swithun. It has been lighter and more flat than what I see in Vap’s pics but definitely similar in bloom form.

I have both st swithun and eglantine. I think it is eglantine

I am so sorry to hear that oh. That is terrible! So I counted petals on the flower with the button I above and it has 80 petals. Also has quite a few prickles. I have to wear gloves to cut it. I never cut this flower so I didn't notice before the tiny little prickles on small stems.

Pictures from today. I will measure the width of the flower tomorrow because most of them are about the same size at the moment. Click each picture to see it correctly please.

vapor, what a heavenly corner of your garden.

Thank you, Ingrid. Like everyone here, I've worked really hard on completely restoring these beds after years of neglect. My bad. However, this year I'm sometimes practically in tears at the beauty wondering what I've done to deserve such loveliness. I thought I'd have to wait years and years, but this is just the third for the new plantings. I NEVER could have done it without the help and inspiration of everyone here, that is certain.

Just look at the amount of buds on those roses! PLEASE photograph that for us when it's in bloom. It will be incredible!

Those in the back are New Dawn. The little white one in the front is Lynn day. L i n d e e. This is a great little Rose for you people in a warm place that are looking for a smaller Rose. It has a very pretty scent and a lovely Little Flower with a yellow boss.

And, Vapor, I must add that I love the beautiful backdrop of the trees surrounding your garden. Your winter photos were just as beautiful. An ever changing scene.

Agree with Music and Ingrid. Vap, you been working really hard on your garden. You do have a beautiful garden and I have to say so. I been reading your thread from beginning and following it closely.

jin

Thanks for posting more photos. I think the stem without the petals, and the other photos, look like Eglantyne.

I was reviewing the information you provided on the rose, and you mention that it smells similar to La France. That rules out myrrh scented roses.

Eglantyne has a wafting sweet scent like rose soap or rosewater. It has no myrrh or musk in it.

You guys are too sweet. Just don't look too closely when I post landscape views! Besides the randon stuff floating about that I never otherwise notice, I have a lot of stone/concrete work that I hope to do come June. However, that doesn't keep me from enjoying the moment and the roses! : )) I will say the amount of buds and flowers this year is INSANE! I still have a few to move to better positions, though.

Krista, Thank you for that. I love the scent of Scepter'd Isle, but this is not that scent. DH commented how the entire kitchen smelled of rose from just the one flower. I've been studying DA roses trying to ID it and Eglantyne was my conclusion, but I've never seen most of them in real life. At one time I was sure in was Anne Boleyn, but a young rose isn't indicative of maturity! If I am lucky enough to go to the Columbus Park of Roses I will be sure to study their Eglantyne. or may see if the one local nursery carrying DAs has her. Last year, the one in Columbus was puny as they really prune the roses there hard in the Fall which leads to small roses in my mind given a harsh winter.

I guess I most want to ID it so I can recommend it to those with low BS pressure or who spray, but may also live in a colder zone as it's definitely hardy. It would be fabulous grown against a wall or structure where its height wouldn't look so odd, or pulled along a fence.

I haven't grown this rose for more years than I want to count, so I thought I'd wait and do the "chime in at the end" thing in order to defer to the members who are currently growing it and recognizing it with authority. WIth that said, I also believe your rose is Eglantyne. Lucky you! It's a wonderful rose, and in my opinion, still one of Austin's all around best for health, form, vigor and great beauty...and one of THE most ethereal roses in commerce period. Back in the day, I grew a veritable field of Austins, and Eglantyne is one that I surrendered (along with Sharifa Asma, Redoute, Cottage Rose, Mary Rose, Gertrude Jekyll, Winchester Cathedral, Wenlock, LD Braithwaite, William Shakespeare, Evelyn, Heritage, Ambridge Rose, Sweet Juliet, Graham Thomas, Golden Celebration, The Pilgrim, etc., etc., etc.) when I moved to a small lot. Eglantyne may be the one Austin I no longer grow that I miss the most. Currently, only Tradescant, The Prince, Munstead Wood, Tamora and Abraham Darby reside in my postage stamp. If I were to add another Austin, it's likely that I'd sidestep new introductions and choose elegant, reliable and fragrant Eglantyne. I look forward to more photos of your rose blooms...because if it's Eglantyne, it will bloom and bloom and bloom! Carol