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Climbers in Trees

7 years ago


Been a long time, life is busy, etc etc

Wanted to update everyone who has been such a big help.


My own root climbers and ramblers are doing surprisingly well planted under mature trees. I’m still hoping they really take off next year because they are very small and have produced very limited amounts of flowers. But they are surviving and seem generally healthy.


The big winners are: Ramblin Red, Amadeus, Veilchenblau, and White Dawn.


Chianti and Tess of the D’Urbervilles are the least vigorous. One of my New Dawn was dug up by an unknown varmit. The other is in the worst spot of them all but is still

showing slow growth.


Crimson Glory CL is doing well, too.


Everything has slowed down during this heat wave and dry spell.



May 3



Sept 12




My pictures aren’t loading of course. Guess not much has changed in my absence ha.

Comments (64)

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Yes, I just have the one. It was a "gift" (or more of a "I've had this thing in a pot for two years and don't really have enough sun for it, here why don't you take it.") from the wife of the man who built my house. I turned my nose up at it as it was never anything I would have bought and threw it down by the barn. Needless to say it's grown on me. It also survived RRS a few years ago. Quick spotting on my part and taking the cane out down to the base seems to have worked.

    jc if you want me to root one for you next spring let me know!

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked subk3
  • 7 years ago

    Beautiful cl pinkie !! I love that rose .. does anyone remember hosenemesis ? She had it on an arbor . I loved her photos ...

    sub I found cl pinkie once at the true value in Franklin of all places !! It was such a random find . I accidentally killed it when it missed watering while I was away :(. Such a nice rose and smells good too !

  • 7 years ago
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    Great information, thanks.

    Veilchenblau has done wonderfully here in 7A northern Piedmont GA in light clay. I planted her a decade ago, got sick, got devastating drought and a dried--up well, got deer, got climate change, got a vacation home half the year elsewhere and essentially abandoned anything that couldn't be mowed or needed more than shearing once or twice a year. The deer cleared out everything they eat, of course, but they can't reach Veilchenblau, which grew up into a katsuratree, also young when it was planted, and lovely bloom streams down every spring. Whether anyone's here yet to see it or not.

    Btw, Celsiana, whose base a fig tree spread to hide from the deer, has survived by "climbing" into the sun and blooms modestly on its own, the deer having been taking the stems arching out that they can reach. I was happily amazed the first time I saw the lovely blooms because it was supposed to be too delicate for this climate and I'd assumed it was long gone.

    Oh, and Russeliana's still here, growing up through a mock orange down by the pasture. Heavenly fragrance in bloom.

    I want to plant another climber, a rebloomer this time, in a small area by the house we'll hopefully be able to keep the deer out of, because I love the look and miss having roses, but this time it's also to get more sun as surrounding trees are shortening the hours of exposure. Looking for ideas, so thanks again.

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  • 7 years ago

    My Climbing Pinky is making a comeback after water emitter failure this Summer. It has grown it's own bouquet.



  • 7 years ago
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    subk3, I think I'll have to take you up on the offer for a cutting.

    I now have 2 kids under 2 and the yard/plants didn't get the attention they needed during that horrible drought we had.

    Whatever doesn't make it through winter is going to be replaced by "easy care" climbers/ramblers like your Cl Pinkie! I won't even care about the colors, form, or scent.

    What area are you again? McMinnville?

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I thought I had responded to this earlier. Apologies!

    vapor, i have 3 Sally Holmes that I got in bags from Walmart. 2 are doing well and 1 is doing just OK. We'll see what happens this spring.

    I think you had mentioned Kew Gardens to me before and that one is looking good to me. Maybe even a Lady Banks.

    I have a Cl Crimson Glory with a Cl Oklahoma and a Veilchenblau in a circle around a tree. None of them did too much this past year. Hoping at least 1 of the 3 takes off in a big way. I like the idea you mentioned of the white rambler mixed with the red austins.


    New Dawn has been disappointing. Really thought it would be a monster but it has barely grown.

    I might get a short list of easy-care rambler types to try this spring.

    Climbing Pinky

    Peggy Martin

    Kew Gardens

  • 6 years ago

    Well, I grow Cl. Pinkie and 2x Peggy Martin. Peggy is a vigorous rose from the get-go!! She was newly planted, but had been in a 5 gallon bucket for a year prior. One was grown from a broken cane and quickly attained the same size!. Both thrive in a shady spot after noon on the north side of a pallet-type fence. I got a couple of flushes which pleased me no end. This is a fantastic rose for your purpose.

    As mentioned prior, Cl. Pinkie was relocated mid-summer from a lousy spot where she was going backwards. I had originally thought she was just bad for my area, but once planted in full sun she rebounded completely and put on tons of cane. I'm not sure how much she likes shade, but her original placement was quite bad so I'd still give her a try.

    I don't know what to say about New Dawn. I have several and all are vigorous although the one in deeper shade, while having the most beautiful foliage, hardly blooms. I'd give her supplemental water until fully established. She needs it. Don't worry. When she decides to grow you'll be amazed. You can't keep this one down. My small cuttings lagged for a while so planted them within 5' of one another! Big mistake and a total pain to transplant.

    Another not often mentioned that might do well is Phyllis Bide. It is slow to establish in a terrible spot. I think it needs more sun, and plan to move her to a tree.

    jc_7a_MiddleTN thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 6 years ago

    Figured I'd give an update, because I'm still trying to make this work haha.

    I wanted to use @toolbelt68 's suggestion about the plastic chain, but I also caved and trimmed all the trees in order to get more sunlight on the roses.


    I think I have a working idea. For this year at least.

    I've take large construction staples and covered them in electrical tape, then wrapped than in green landscape ribbon to try and blend it in. Then, I hammered them ever so slightly into the tree trunk. Then I could weave the more pliable canes around the trunk itself.

    Here's a picture.

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  • 6 years ago

    Vapor, how are yours doing?

    My biggest veilchenblau is getting bigger now, and is actually putting out more flowers after its first flush? Does it still count as a once-bloomer?

    Amadeus, White Dawn, Sally Homles, Ramblin Red, and Don Juan are also doing well.


    Shade and root competition I'm sure are the reasons for slow growth across the board.


    I have 1 Tess of the D'Urbervilles and 2 Veilchenblau that I feel like should be doing better based on their sun exposure.




  • 6 years ago

    Veilchenblau

    Same Veilchenblau in the back by the tree.

    Amadeus, White Dawn, Don Juan - L to R


  • 6 years ago

    no idea why houzz insists on posting the pictures sideways

  • 6 years ago

    Jc, my Tess is a slow grower so don't be discouraged. My best so far is Ceske Praci Cest. The others got the weird freeze-back and have yet to even leaf out, except Parade and its canes aren't yet long enough to grow into the adjoining bush. I'll post pics of CPC in a bit. It's still in bud. Blossomtime needs training, but I think it will also do well. Please bear in mind that the trees I'm using are saplings so not as much root competition. Yours look GREAT!!!

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  • 6 years ago

    Regarding Veilchenblau. I don't know if it blooms on both old and new wood, but it may be the latter or perhaps just has a very long flush. Keep us informed!

  • 6 years ago

    My tess did horrible here in my zone 7 tn i got rid of her last fall .

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  • 6 years ago

    Things are still slow but all of them are still growing!

    I’m going to end up moving Crimson Glory, New Dawn, and Tess.





  • 6 years ago


    Veilchenblau is going to put on a show next spring, I can tell.

  • 6 years ago

    Great pictures. I can't believe that New Dawn isn't doing well. I don't know if you saw thes pics late Spring of Ceske praci Cest, so I'll link to them here. I'm also thrilled that it's giving me a Fall flush! This is. Perfect rose to grow up a tree. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5938972/miss-mystery-once-again-and-more-on-roses-in-trees

    Recent pic.



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  • 6 years ago

    Vapor I really like what you’re doing there! We’ll eventually put in one of those black residential fences and I’d like to try something similar.


    new dawn is surviving just fine but barely growing and has only given maybe 3 blooms since it was planted in March 2019.


    ill probably start heading my bets and plant some shade loving plants around the ones I don’t move just in case.

  • 6 years ago

    @jc_7a_MiddleTN, the new dawn is still just a baby if you only planted it last year. It kind of lollygags around and then decides to go for it! Look out when it does. LOL! Just as a side note, the cluster above remains fresh as a daisy. This Rose is fantastic as the blooms honestly last two weeks. It was the same way in the spring. They do not age so one does not end up with the tissue paper look amongst fresh blooms. Will you able to see my pictures in the above link?

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  • 5 years ago

    Don Juan, White Dawn, and Amadeus


    Veilchenblau.

    Ive been winding it between those two main trucks and wrapping the longest canes around each one.





  • 5 years ago

    I’m glad I decided to take a risk and experiment.

    So far it’s working out Ok.



    I’ve got a lot of buds on Amadeus and Don Juan.



    I have a couple of Veilchenblau and Sally Holmes with buds.

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  • 5 years ago

    Jc, I think you'll have some gorgeous roses to show for your work this year. They look like they're ready to show off. Do you still grow Kew Gardens? After seeing it full grown at the Rosarium last year, I can't get it out of my mind. My husband spotted it first, and he's not usually wowed by roses, but he called me to come see it. We stood there in awe and neither of us had our cameras. Looked like an enormous cloud of pink cotton candy.

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  • 5 years ago
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    I actually don’t have Kew Gardens but it was on my short list. I ended up with Felicite et Perpetue instead.

    I’ve been- what I feel like at least- is very patient. these all came as bands and then I planted them in pretty poor conditions for roses.

    Hope they hit their stride this year!


    flowers, you are growing some up and around tree trunks as well, right?

  • 5 years ago

    Yes, jc, out of necessity. Mostly just at the base of tall pines, not climbing up into them for aesthetic value like yours. Pines are not the right kind of trees for that. I was thinking of Kew Gardens to grow as a stand alone mound. Maybe not such a good idea. The one I saw was so big, I couldn't tell if it was eating a building or just a fence. I'll take a better look next week when I go to pick up my order.

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  • 5 years ago

    If I had more space I would do the same- get some mounding climbers or ramblers.


    The only thing I have that might do that is Veilchenblau or White Dawn.

    White Dawn spreads along the ground

  • 5 years ago
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    What a difference a few weeks makes.

    ALL my climbers planted at the base of mature trees have buds.







    Veilchenblau is actually much more purple this year than last.

    This one in particular still has so many buds left to open!

  • 5 years ago

    Amadeus and Don Juan are wrapped around this tree like a barber shop pole and are actually supporting each other on their journey to the canopy.

    White Dawn isn’t quite keeping up with the other two.

    The reds have so many buds and laterals.








  • 5 years ago

    I'm so glad you see this a dream becoming a reality! It's already magnificent.

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  • 5 years ago
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    Thanks, vapor.

    I think this is a good lesson. I know a lot of folks don't have ideal conditions, but you can still make things work if you are willing to experiment and be patient.

    I needed to tell you that I moved the New Dawn about 6 weeks ago and it did perfectly fine. Has already doubled in size.

    I'm planning to grow it up my front porch columns and up to the 2nd story balcony.

    Now I'm not sure what to do with the replacement I ordered when I thought I'd killed the original.

  • 5 years ago

    Put it on the other side?

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  • 5 years ago

    I have Felicite et Perpetue for the other side.

    But so far I trend Towards over planting in Case something doesn’t work out.


    why not?

  • 5 years ago

    That's so beautiful, jc. Looks like they're leaping this year.

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  • 5 years ago

    Breath taking!

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  • 5 years ago

    JC, Looking great! I just found a climbing hydrangea at HD for $12.99. Will try it on a tree.

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  • 5 years ago

    Summers I will have to go look at Home Depot this week. Id like to try climbing hydrangea somewhere

  • 5 years ago

    Jc, it was on the same cart with clematis.

  • 5 years ago
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    Update: they are doing well!

    Don Juan and Amadeus are probably 8ft tall now. White Dawn is about to bloom for the first time this year but it’s maybe 4-5ft at the highest



    Sally Holmes







    Ramblin Red





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  • 5 years ago

    They look wonderful! The reds look particularly great!

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  • 5 years ago
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    I was mowing the lawn today and had to come back when I finished to take pictures.

    Don Juan’s blooms froze a couple of weeks ago as they were opening. They didn’t die but they never opened.

    all of these are Amadeus.

    color in photos is true.






    wish these wouldn’t post sideways

    there are blooms on the other side of the tree trunk as well.


    You can see this from way down the street.


    2 people stopped me While I was mowing to tell me how much they liked them. highly recommend Amadeus .

  • 5 years ago

    Ramblin Red is my other A+ performer



    I’m weaving this one in between two cedars growing very closely togethe


    along with a Veilchenblau which is doing Ok and a white dawn which is barely

    doing anything at all

  • 5 years ago

    @vaporvac how is your Ceske Praci Cest

  • 5 years ago

    Jc, what a spectacular show. I'm not surprised people stopped to comment. That's such a complement and great reward for your work and patience. To think the roses look this good, competing with tree roots. Those are some tough and determined roses. You're all set for Fourth of July.

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  • 5 years ago

    JC, those are spectacular! Kudos to you! You don't spray any of them do you? I'm always on the lookout for healthy Roses know spray and have looked at Rambler Red in the past. Ceske Praci is doing great But not yet blooming. It bloom's a little later. However, it is growing so well I had to stake one of the saplings as it was being pulled down! I was surprised as the canes are are very small and delicate but I guess there were just a lot of them. I'll definitely post a pic when this starts blooming.

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  • 5 years ago

    Well I’m not no spray, I just never actually get around to spraying if that makes sense.


    Amadeus and White Dawn have the cleanest foliage out of any of the roses I grow.

    Ramblin Red is also clean but doesn’t have as many leaves.

  • 4 years ago

    Does this spring count as year 3? if these were planted march 2019?