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two evergreen volunteers

Came up in a shady dry area. The first one (on the left) resembles some Euonymus varieties, but has a very straight, non-vining stem. The second possibly a Nandina:



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  • 6 years ago

    The one on the right does look like Nandina. The one on the left needs a better photo. But it isn't a Euonymus because that has opposite foliage. On enlargement it appears to have toothed leaves. Is that the case? Could you give us a closer, clearer shot?

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 6 years ago

    The leaves do have shallow serration:

  • 6 years ago

    Agree with Nandina for the second. The first looks rather laurel-like......possibly Prunus carolinaina?

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 6 years ago

    Parent plant may be visible nearby.

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked Embothrium
  • 6 years ago

    Looking at the leaf shapes, serration, and vein pattern, Prunus caroliniana is unlikely.

    Another candidate is Rhaphiolepsis indica.

  • 6 years ago

    Wondering about Ilex vomitoria for the one on the left. Your basic Yaupon holly -- spread by birds.


    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
  • 6 years ago

    Ilex vomitoria is a good lead in terms of leaf texture and the pale central vein. But it seems to miss the red stems on new growth - all the pictures we find have green or light brown stems.

  • 6 years ago
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    Young holly stems can take on a reddish cast in cooler weather. Another to consider might be Ilex crenata which volunteers readily in our woods. But given that Yaupon is probably native in your region, that's more likely.

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
  • 6 years ago

    We were fairly skeptical of the Ilex crenata connection, until we noticed significant similarity to our very own 'Compacta' cuttings (on the right vs. the volunteer on the left), in particular the dark red stems:

    There are many similar volunteers in the area, so they must represent a fairly consistent genotype of some stable hybrid or cultivar that comes true from seed.

    But there are also other volunteers, more different but still showing some resemblance in leaf form and texture:

    Hard to tell whether they would be related or something completely different.

  • 6 years ago

    In the last picture does the top right plant have aromatic foliage when crushed?

  • 6 years ago

    No. All three of those are very similar to each other, but the one in top right has darker leaves (resembling Laurus?).

  • 6 years ago

    That's the one I asked about, the reason being it looks a lot like Laurus nobilis. But it's a bit fuzzy and I don't know if they grow and fruit where you are. They come up around here a lot.

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 6 years ago

    We wish Laurus nobilis were sprouting here like sweetgums :-) . Indeed they are here a marginal rarity for zone pushers like us. There are two nice specimens between 5-7 ft at the NC Botanical Garden. Our own plant had the misfortune of being planted out just before the recent two Arctic blast winters in a row, but it seems to have stabilized at about 1 ft.

    BTW, the leaves of the volunteers are a little shinier than those of L. nobilis.

  • 6 years ago

    I see. I get a lot of bay babies on my allotment. There are plenty of big bays around here which bear fruit. 7 feet would be a tiddler ;-)


  • 6 years ago

    In your 'three-some' pot, those, especially the one on the right, look more like Prunus caroliniana to me. But it's out of focus.

    CasaLester RTP, NC (7b) thanked Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
  • 6 years ago

    Looks like Dave in No VA has nailed it on both counts. We just found a full sun specimen nearby that looks a lot like his Ilex vomitoria and also resembles our first volunteer:

    The leaves of the trio of volunteers also look like Prunus caroliniana:

    Thanks to everyone who participated in this challenging and exciting detective work. An honorable mention to GardenGal48 for the prophetic identification of P. caroliniana - even before we posted a picture she knew that we must have it among our volunteers :-) .

  • 6 years ago

    If I'd seen that close up I'd never have thought of Bay. Serrated edges would rule it out.