Hi Juli, thanks for your response! I see your point now! I think that I should just put the fridge on the right side of the patio door, the sink in the middle, and the double ovens to the right of the sink. Do you have any thoughts on the maximum island size for my space?

I think that this design may be a better one for me to follow:

I think you need a kitchen designer before you regret choices you make .If you want help here you need to post a to scale drawing of the whole space of the kitchen plus the eating space. all windows doorways marked with all measurements clearly marked. If the plumbing can’t be moved the mark that same with gas lines. If you are keeping your appliances we need those measurements too. That is the only way to even get any info from us.BTW the white cabinet wall you posted i great for a mud room but is that what you want in the eating space you have now. Are the patio doors really your main entry into the house ?

Hi @Patricia Colwell Consulting, thank you for your comments and we will be getting final to scale drawings done this weekend And converting our test fit to a true blue print.

As to the entry, it is not our main entrance. It’s an entrance from the back yard, which is why I am hesitant to put a mudroom in that location.

I would not move your appliances to that location - it is way too far away from your work zone. I like the idea of putting the fridge to the right of the patio doors and and moving the ovens into that space. While I like the idea of a hall tree, think about what it's actually going to look like on a daily basis with shoes, coats, backpacks, etc. and whether you want to look at that while eating dinner. I wouldn't. Perhaps a closet where things could be hidden away or a pantry.

I love having my fridge far away from my kitchen. But I think it depends on how you cook. I go to the fridge once, get all the things, and then prep. While I'm doing this my kids get into the fridge or my husband if we are cooking together, so it suits me to have it far out of the way of the prep area, otherwise it's a constant traffic jam. However, most people prefer a tight kitchen work triangle.

Why are you changing what you currently have? what are your goals, needs, wants?

frontporchfarm, would you mind sharing a picture of your kitchen design with me? I found a few pictures online of kitchens that were broken up by doors but none with as much space as 2 patio doors. Thanks.

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There is no perfect answer to a kitchen design the best design is what works for you and how you cook.As for a mud room in a space that is not a primary entry makes no sense whatso ever that is just another place where a KD does their job. BTW that is not a cabinet salesperson.

I think you can get away with putting the wall oven on the back wall, but it would be more functional to put the fridge on the right (far) end of the other perimeter cabinets. In that spot the fridge would be more convenient to the living area, keeping grazers from walking through you work area to access it. However, that might not work with the location of the existing window.