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Privet Trees Dropping Green Leaves, Help Please!

6 years ago

My 3 year old privet hedge has been slowly dying, plant after plant, for the last year. Green leaves just fall off. A nursery employee came by and couldn't figure it out. Said water was adequate, no sign of disease. Today I noticed brown spots on some leaves of one of the plants... but it had started shedding green leaves long before the spots came along. So maybe now it's got some disease from all the stress?


Some clues:

--Los Angeles, San Fernando Valley.

--It started in one area and has now spread 8 feet into either direction of the hedge... so perhaps it IS some kind of disease?

--Soil is more clay than loam.

--Watering with (2) 2gph drippers per plant, for 15 minutes, 3 times a week, during winter. Longer in summer.

--Initial planting was too deep. Since then 3 or 4 plants that died were replaced at correct height, and then 2 of those died.

--Fearing the rest of the plants were still planted to deep and have been sitting in wet clay soil I turned down the watering, but leaffall continues. (side note: Leaffall, new Bond movie?)


Any insights would be appreciated.


Thanks!


Problem area in the middle of hedge:


Problem area:




Brown/white spots on the tree above:


I dug out a privet last summer that lost all it's leaves, here are the roots:



Comments (30)

  • 6 years ago

    Can you carefully peel back just the outer layer of bark right above the beginning of the rootball on that one you pulled? And describe what you see or take a photo. Did you notice any thin black 'roots' when you dug it up?

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Presented with enough sample material your nearest USDA Cooperative Extension Service branch office should be able to tell you what is going on. You will have to be able to get there during open hours that will be something in the tradition of M-F 9-5.

  • 6 years ago

    I'm not familiar with your weather but do you really need to water in winter? Or even very often in summer if the hedge is 3 years established?

  • 6 years ago

    Just looking at the pic, they are planted too close to each other. What kind of privet are they? They are literally competing with each other for everything.

    The ground they are planted in is bare. They really like mulch. NOT to the stem, just around the bottom of them. You shouldn't have to water them as often as you are. You are drowning them, and the mulch will keep them more moist. Water them by hand in the heat of the summer if there is no rain for 10 days or more, get them off of a drip system.

    OK, let's see, dig up every other healthy privet. Get them off of drip system. Go buy some mulch and mulch the soil, but NOT the trunks. Also, check online or in a home store for a flat soaker hose. Gardeners Supply has one online for about 20 bucks. You can hide them under mulch and you won't have to hand water them when it is hot.

  • 6 years ago

    Thank you guys for posting. I took out one of the bare privets and took pictures.


    I didn't see anything wrong under the bark. The roots don't have any black "roots." The water is probably excessive, but was recommended for faster growth. I have turned it down since.


    They are planted closer than recommended but it seems everyone in my community does that, or goes even closer. Just down the street is a beautiful privet hedge wall with privets planted every 12-15"! Also, the one that just died was one of the larger ones. If they were competing for nutrients, wouldn't the smaller one die?


    I can certainly put down mulch. Instead of a soaker hose can I just change out the drippers to a lower volume? Also if I take out every other privet my privacy wall will be so very much gone... I'll literally build a wall instead!


    Thank you for your suggestions!





    Found exactly one grub.


    Found a little white stuff on a very small portion of the root. Normal?


    Rootball


  • 6 years ago

    Did you figure out the issue with your Privet? I'm having the same problem and think it might be honey fungus.

  • 6 years ago

    Nope. One of the trees now has brown/red wilting leaves. So it may have caught another disease or the progression of honey fungus? But the bark is fine. There are no black laces in the roots. No clue. The only conclusion I've come to is that I will never plant privets again.


    Why do you think your privet has honey fungus?

  • 6 years ago

    Armillaria - honey fungus - is an extremely widespread soil pathogen and is particularly deadly to privets....of all species. But is unlikely to be very aggressive in areas with hot summer climates. But it could also be dematophora root rot, Rosellinia necatrix, which has less obvious outward symptoms, can develop easily in high heat situations and is just as deadly to the privets.

    encinomike thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 6 years ago

    I dug up two more dying privets and I don't see any black 'roots', however, after 1 plant died, the problem continued from 1 plant to the next like a spreading disease. Other than the plants dropping green leaves until bare, the plant looks fine. Near the plants that are dying is a gravel patio with a different type of fungi growing. It doesn't look like honey fungus but just the presence of a fungi lead me to looking into honey fungus.

    I'm starting to think it might be some other type of rot since the root ball was pretty wet when I dug up the most recent dying plant. I'm researching dematophora root rot now to see if this could be it.

  • 6 years ago

    Could be. Mine didn't look like Dematophora, but who knows, perhaps as @gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9) said above, it's not as easily seen. I did do an extensive soil testing and found my soil to be devoid of all nutrients, N, P and K. I started amending my soil two months ago. Two more plants have since died-- one of which was 3 plants away from the dying plant. It's recommended that once a plant dies and is taken out to keep the space bare for 6-12 months so that the fungus would die... I'm hoping I can just dig out a whole lot of soil and replant-- there is no way I have that much patience. If it dies again, I'm gonna rip them all out and build a fence.

  • 6 years ago

    Unless your soil testing was done by a professional soil testing lab, I wouldn't put much stock in it. Home soil testing kits are a waste of time and money and it would be highly unusual to find any soil completely devoid of basic nutrients. Even pure sand will show some traces!!

  • 6 years ago

    I ran 9 different tests (home kit) and they showed a variation of nutrients— the privet hedges had the least amount. Yes, they were not devoid, but they were very low as compared to the other tests. Privets are pretty hardy as I understand it, so I chose to go with home test kit to get a broad baseline, rather than an exact answer.

  • 6 years ago

    Even without the problems you are having with this hedge planting if it were my situation I'd want the attributes of a sold fence there anyway, which I would then plant in front of (on my side). Rather than having either a fence or a hedge by themselves.

    encinomike thanked Embothrium
  • 6 years ago

    @Embothrium will privets grow well with the fence Blocking sunlight on one side?

  • 6 years ago

    The fence would not prevent anything from growing. And you are having failures with the privet at this time so it isn't necessarily a kind to continue with in that location.

    encinomike thanked Embothrium
  • 5 years ago

    Any new info on your issue? I’m having the same issue and losing one ligustrum privet after another. I live in the LA area as well.

  • 5 years ago

    Unfortunately more kept dying. I ended up ripping out all but 6 at the top of the driveway and built a fence. I even went the route of home kit soil testing — it was pointless. Wish I had a different answer for you.

  • 5 years ago

    I did notice some webbing. I’ll try your suggestion. Thanks!

  • 5 years ago

    These bushes are so fickle. I was finally on a watering schedule that worked -- every 4 days, 25 minutes with a soaker hose - and I would spray them down about once a week. Well, the low retaining wall between me and my neighbors property was leaking out the water so they complained. I dialed back the waterings to once a week and am now having leaf drop on what was one of my heartiest and tallest bushes. I still think it's spider mites -- they take advantage of thirsty plants -- but this is so much harder than it should be. I have Eugenia's as well and they are thriving with whatever water I send their way. I planted these 14 months ago so they should be established. I also make sure to pick up the hundreds of leaves that fall as I read somewhere they can be responsible for spreading the mites around and they overwhelm the other critters, mostly on the ground and in the lower parts of the bush, that eat them. Good luck to anyone with Texas Privets!

  • 5 years ago

    There were spider mites on one of my remaining privets. I was able to get rid of them. Through all my research and talking to arborists, it appears that privets are susceptible to diseases much more than some other hedge plants. So the suggestion at this point is if starting to plant new hedges, just avoid privets and you avoid a headache.

  • 4 years ago

    So mike did you not figure this out? I'm similar weather to you in Pomona inland So Cal. It was 120 feet of 6 foot tall Texas Privet.



    Last year I moved into a house that has like 30 year old privet hedges. I think i didn't water them enough and noticed one plant sort of dying. Well throughout the fall and winter, it seemed like the plant was coming back. But it just had branches dying leaves completely falling off, and other branches that seem green and alive. Well it is 90% dead now but still has a few green shoots.


    Well now come early spring, more plants are getting yellow leaves, some wilted brown leaves, and branches are dying again. The original dead plant from last summer still has a couple newer shoots growing, but is 90% dead.


    Seems to be spreading.


    I'm not sure if I'm underwatering or over watering now.


    I only water once a week during the winter. And there are some lawn sprinklers which give the hedges a tiny bit of water daily, but not much. I don't know if that's not enough or if it's too much. A few days after i water the soil still feels a little damp but not wet. We're ina pretty dry area.


    Please help as now it seems to be spreading. I hope it's not root rot or a fungus? What do you think?

  • 4 years ago

    I unfortunately mever figured it out and gave up and tore them out and put in a fence and threw up some Bower vines on them. Looks much better now. its unfortunate and a hge headache. sorry you have to go through this

  • 4 years ago

    I'm in Los Angeles and all of my Texas Privets pretty much died a long, slow, agonizing death. Unless you constantly pour expensive chemicals on them to keep the mites off, they just die. Too much water? Not enough? I don't think it matters. It's just not a hearty plant -- at least not here. Two years and about $1600 down the drain not to mention all of the work trying to keep them alive.

  • 4 years ago

    I'm pretty sure it was spider mites that took out my privets. The suggestion above by a poster, to hose down the plants well once a week, might be worth a try for anyone with privets suffering from spider mites.

  • 4 years ago

    thanks guys i'll keep trying different things... i think possibly i didn't water enough last summer so some roots died-- then over winter root rot with some rains and over watering... now the 35 year old privets are dying.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    I am so frustrated.

    I've been back to this thread so many times over the past year, trying to figure out what's going on with my Texas Privets. I am also in San Fernando Valley and I am also slowly losing plant after plant, like a spreading disease. I paid 2k a year and a half ago to put all these in...

    I haven't located any webbing. Each plant is still wrapped around the stake with plant tie tape, and there's a bunch of dead leaves stuck in each tie. The nursery that sold me these said not to cut the plant ties in order to promote upward growth, and that they'll eventually snap off themselves.. so I left them.... but now I'm wondering if somehow the plant ties are hurting the plant. Fresh green leaves fall off with the slightest touch – it's devastating. I really don't want to rip them all out and pay for a fence. The whole idea was to plant in order to avoid paying for a fence. So far I've lost like 8 plants and it's not showing any signs of stopping. This thread seems to have gone cold without a real solution, just figured I'd share my experience – since it seems very similar to others.







    Arborist said roots look "healthy"


    Found some of these little guys after ripping out some stakes... but they don't seem to be spider mites?


    encinomike thanked verzure
  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    Hey guys, i'm having a similar issue with one privet in SoCal also... It died months ago after losing all it's leaves, so I replanted a new one and now that privet on the same spot is dying again. I have an organic mixture I use in the garden that gets rid of fungus/mites really well. I'll try that in the evening and fingers crossed it works. This is the recipe and usually it works wonders to prevent and treat plants if anyone wants to try it. Hopefully it works on the privet! Just spray the plants right before sunset, otherwise they can burn in the sun.


    encinomike thanked Babi
  • 2 years ago

    @babi - any luck with the organic spray?

  • last year

    Had same issue in Ventura county. Took roots into AG lab, Fusarium a very bad fungus that does not really respond to fungicides. Took all my privet out and planted fusarium resistant plants. It last in the soil for 5-10 years