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Please help - newly planted roses

6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago

Hello, I've been reading as much as I can in this forum about growing roses. So many posts inspired me to get into them this spring and I planted quite a few in my gardens around my house.

I am worried that I planted some new roses too close to my pool's edge foundation. The foundation is on a slight hill, and is 3 ft tall off of the ground. I planted six David Austin Roses along this foundation:

2 Jubilee Celebration

2 Carding Mill

2 Imogen

I planted them about 4 ft apart, maybe a little more. There are no other plants back there besides some wildflowers that came back from the seeds I planted last year.

My worry is that I planted them too close to the foundation for them to spread out. There is plenty of room on the one side of the plants that faces outward, but the sides of the shrubs that are closest to the foundation, are anywhere from 1 to 1.5 ft out from the foundation. They're leaning a bit towards the wall because I planted at an angle, in deep holes since I'm Zone 5.

I planted so many climbing roses around the property as my first project about 2 weeks ago, that I think I just forgot that these were shrubs and didn't need to be at a 45 degree angle pointed towards a wall.

I planted them 2 days ago and they seem to be doing well. Is it a good idea to dig them up gently today and move them further out from the pool's wall?

If it won't harm the roses, I can move them back from the wall today. Will they grow outward towards the sun anyways? Or is it safe to move them today and give them equal breathing room on all sides? I can't believe I forgot they were shrubs and not climbers. Gardening brain fog I guess.

Thanks for any tips and help with this, I'm really excited to get into roses after being a bit intimidated for so many years. Hopefully this one area will do well since the buds I've seen open on these six plants so far are pretty amazing.


Edit: Just a note- The canes look closer to the wall then the center/crown because they're at an angle. So the crown area are about 1-2 ft each from the wall itself, and then the branches lean a bit towards the pool wall











Thanks again for any thoughts-

Comments (11)

  • 6 years ago

    Brendan, I'm sure they will be fine. 2-3 feet out from the wall might have been ideal, but I bet they will be happy this way too. Good luck.

  • 6 years ago

    Sheila, thanks so much. I appreciate it. I am new to this all and was worried that they’d get wide and crush themselves against that wall. Have you grown any of these before? I wonder how wide they’ll get

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Brenden, I agree with Sheila that they would have been better off further from the wall, but they'll be ok. They will tend to lean away from the foundation, but when fully leafed out, you won't notice, I bet. IF you decide to move them, a lot depends on whether they were bare root or potted (I'm assuming these were potted plants), what your weather is like for the next few days, and how much energy you want to expend, lol. If it were me, I'd only move them if it's still fairly cool, will remain so for a few days; if you have a way to shade them if it's bright and sunny; if you're prepared to water well for a couple of weeks. The reason I say this is that you will probably disturb the root ball, and that will stress them somewhat. If the pots were well-filled with roots when you first removed them, the better you know the root ball will hold together if you dig them up, lol. All that said, roses are tough, and if you'd feel more comfortable with them farther from the wall, go for it.


    EDIT: Oops...I forgot to say that the only one of your roses I grow is Carding Mill. It is a fairly large bush, slightly taller than wide. I'd say 4'x3' or so.

  • 6 years ago

    Fig, thanks so much. I wasn’t sure if the wall would stress their branches out or what. I moved the three that were closest today. They were probably less than a foot away from the wall. It was a long day of trying to move them without destroying the root ball, but hopefully they make it. The Jubilee Celebration is a floppy limp mess at this point but I kept a shade cloth draped on a chair for the day. It’s supposed to cool off temperature wise tomorrow so hopefully that, plus watering like you recommended will help.

    Glad to hear the carding mill grows to a nice size. I have really enjoyed the flowers on it so far, they have a beautiful range of oranges, blush, and pink highlights. Really unlike any roses I’ve seen before (I’m pretty new to roses here ha) but they’ve all shown beautiful flowers.

    Thank you both again for the help! This forum inspired me to even attempt roses and David Austin’s. The photos posted here are unlike anything I’ve seen before

  • 6 years ago

    Thought I’d post some of the flowers for people to see.

  • 6 years ago

    Ingrid, that garden shot is beautiful. I can only hope that any of the roses I planted grow to be 1/2 as healthy and pretty as those. I love your color combinations and different tones going on....flashes of pinks and then the nice reddish violet, along with that cooler toned violet right at the bottom center.


    I am a painter and designed all of my rose areas that I've been working on based on color, I never realized how many colors there were for roses. Your space is beautiful.


    Most of the photos I posted are all of carding mill, except for the second to last, the pure bubblegum pink is the Jubilee. The carding mill has changed color tones about 4 times in 2 days since flowering. Really remarkable, never seen a plants flowers change so much and I wasn't expecting it, but have to say I love it :)


    The Jubilee I had to move is the worst looking of all after transplanting....all limp and floppy even after an afternoon of watering and shade cover. Maybe in the morning she will pop up, hopefully

  • 6 years ago

    Also Ingrid, I also have bunny/chipmunk/deer here. The deer stay back because of a large fence. The bunnies or chipmunks chomped down two of my new roses about 2 weeks ago, 2 climbers. I remember seeing your posts in the past about similar issues (I was frantically trying to read up on repellents).


    Anyways, wanted to let you know that I've been trying this spray that I read up on:


    6 eggs

    a good spoonfull of Beef or Chicken Bouillon

    Some squirts of hot sauce

    Blend them up, strained it with kitchen strainer, paper towels in it, over a bowl.


    Poured that into my gallon sprayer and filled the rest with water and been spraying once a week.


    I know it sounds annoying to do so often, but so far, I haven't had any other roses eaten (I've planted about 20). I'm still not sure if it lasts in the rain or not. But it seems to when I get up close and smelled the plants after raining. They smelled like the egg a little bit still hah. It hasn't affected the flowers smells, it's more the leaves and plant.


    Maybe give it a shot if you're still having any problems. I read garlic can overpower the smell of the bouillon/eggs, so I didn't include that. I spray at night or early morning before the sun comes up fully :)

  • 6 years ago

    Brendan, I have not grown your particular roses, but have many DA roses and I hope you love them. The roses will grow in the direction of the sun and spread toward the sun. Good luck with yours.

    Bc _zone10b thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 6 years ago

    Hi, Brendan. I just realized your entry double posted. I dropped a reply to you on the duplicate, but it looks like you already received all kinds of great advice over here, so feel free to ignore what I wrote. Your rose blooms are absolutely gorgeous! You're gardening in Ingrid's palette. :-) Carol

    Bc _zone10b thanked portlandmysteryrose
  • 6 years ago

    Hi portlandmysteryrose, thanks so much for your response on my first post. No idea why that didn't delete like I thought I had done, but I'm glad you didn't because I appreciate the advice :)


    I ended up moving three that were basically planted directly on the wall. I think I was in a daze when I planted them, after planting over ten climbers around my house and planted them way too close. The carding mill is doing great it seems, but the Imogen, and Jubilee which had the most blooms, are both fighting with the weather to not get all limp/wilted. I am helping them battle with shade cloths all day and water. Every morning they're upright but by noon they're all limp again. Hopefully they'll recover.


    Interestingly enough, those two had the biggest roots when I transplanted them. I'm sure I probably damaged quite a bit even though I tried as hard as I could to dig wide and around them.


    The carding mill was much easier to move and didn't have such large thick roots.


    Time will tell, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed because so far they've all been really beautiful plants.


    Thanks again! :)