I think they will look lovely however you arrange them. That is a great structure.

I have a powerful notion your roses are going to get bigger than you think. If it were me, I think I'd give 'Lamarque' the pergola and find other spots for the remaining roses, but that's just my idea. I agree with Sheila: that's a handsome pergola!

Wow! You've been holding out on us. I didn't know Rich was in the process of building that beautiful pagoda -- whoo hoo... love it.

As for roses to grow on it; I wouldn't want to see the beautiful structure smothered. How about some cedar posts a few feet away on each side (more work for Rich! :-) on which to attach climbers and just plant bush roses around the perimeter of the pagoda? Then you could sit inside, drink cold sweet tea, and be able to see out.

Beautiful! Is it a steel structure? You'd need maintenance from time to time, leave enough room for paint job later. Lamarque would look lovely over there, agree with Melissa.

the legs are galvenized pipe. Plus dh has primed it with gray rustoleum and we have sp.ordered more of the hammered gray rustoleum that is super thick paint to finish a bit more that needs painting. We are hoping the paint choice will last a long time. I think Dh will be pretty disappointed if I dont plant some climbers on it. he built it to keep me from planting Rose's on my fence but I do plan on having some shorter bushes around perimeter.

he hasnt built it yet, but I want one similar to this to go over the path leading to the gazebo. So I'm thinking that the path will give me plenty of opportunities to plant my climbers and shrub roses. I just need help deciding placement.

An arch will be fantastic as well. Keep us posted on which roses you decide to plant on the new gazebo!

Hi Lesli, I'm a friend of Ragna's. LOVE this gazebo ! Personally, I think that six roses would put too much weight on the top. I have a Belinda's dream and agree with you on the constant blooms ! A long limbed Graham Thomas (or thomas graham) would be a lovely rose to have. Why not put one climber on it, and train to go all the way over the top. At the other posts you could use a lighter plant, such as passiflora.

I have 2 Graham Thomas roses but they are both fairly short. I also have a baby(young) Mier y Teran, but this is 8 1/2 feet tall at the legs. I also have a Cinderella's Fairytale rose.

I feel I must share a little info about me, while I have the Graham Thomas roses, and the whites-- I'm a pink rose kind of girl. That being said, I'm very intrigued by William Lobb, and the purple-y pictures of him that I've seen. I do love my Lamarque. But I've seen great pictures of Peggy Martin dripping from similar structures. See? this is my head these days it's all a jumble. I do like the idea of using one rose such as Lamarque. But where am I going to put the rest?🤔😖 my yard is only 1/2 acre!

of course, I'm not sure, esp. since they haven't bloomed yet for me but the description of my Granny's roses sound like the rose in this article, below. This article made me cry. I read it to Richard after I shared your comments about the gazebo. he said, send me pictures of the rose tunnel you want, I'll make you one. 🥰

https://garden.org/ideas/view/Sharon/28/Granny-Lauries-Rose/

(he meant send it to his phone🙄 he was sitting right next to me) he likes to see a picture and think about it a little while to come up with his own plans.

Just a note: ARE told me Cl. Belinda's Dream is basically a once-bloomer. I'd try Peggy Martin or Cl. Pinkie (if it does well in your neck of the woods) to cover the pergola . I just saw Cinderella on Sunday and FELL IN LOVE!!! I don't know how big it would get, so perhaps you could a huge climber such as PM to scramble to the top and shorter climbers on the poles or over the surrounding corral. I'd definitely try to use Cinderella for either.

Lesli, the Graham Thomas I have is the climber version. I guess I'm a yellow roser, like you're a pink roser. :-) Whatever you do, it will be gorgeous !

ok, so update....I may be over doing it but.. I've been thinking hard on this. I have a Madame Alfred Carriere that just keeps overshooting its 5 1/2 ft trellis fence. It just wants to get tall, I cut it back pretty hard, and I am not big on cutting back hard. So I think I will wait for cold weather and move her, and just go ahead and move my Lamarque on the opposite side at the same time. I also have a tiny cl. Cecile Brunner, not sure I should press my luck.
I have a ArborRose Jasmina that should do better on the trellis fence than the MAC and it needs to be freed from a heavy Bermuda grass invasion.

I'm late to getting back to this, and with my old refrain, too: 'Mme. Alfred Carriere' will take up the whole structure without drawing a deep breath, and I suspect 'Lamarque' is of the same stripe (not to mention that they're both double whites, not offering exciting contrasts in color, size, or form). Either one is plenty for your structure, in my belief. My own MAC is about twenty feet in all directions.

I used to garden on about 1/6 acre, including house and driveway, so I feel your pain. If it were my property, I'd sacrifice most of the grass. Laborious, in terms of construction and MAINTENANCE, but good for massive roses, is pergolas all over the place. In my quite small yard, if you can even call it that, I have about eleven ambitious climbers, plus a good many other roses and a lot of other plants, not necessarily small ones. (I have a very large garden, or rather couple of gardens, but they're not right around the house.)

Does anyone have suggestions for shorter pink 'climbing' roses? I'm thinking of something with the growth habit of Don Juan would be good.

Incidentally, Cl. Cecil Brunner planted in a corner soon took up almost 1/4 of a whole city lot. I had to take it out; not easy to do.

Pink Don Juan available from Chamblees. Many of the Kordes Arborose series are also shorter climbers such as Kiss Me Kate.

Thank you all for suggestions and comments.
One thing I guess I need to say is we dont have the best soil--very sandy, super good drainage, not super high in natural nutrients. So our roses dont get as humongous as they do for many of you. Only in my dreams.

Melissa, I'd sacrifice the grass in a heart beat, ONLY its Bermuda-The bain of my existence. Even if it weren't here, things like bricks, and gravel tend to sink and disappear in my soil. I have a couple of brick side walks right now that are mostly about an inch or two below the soil and grass grow over them. I'm to the point that I am ready to just get several (or more?) giant terracotta pots to put around and give up creating any more flower beds. The Bermuda is just too aggressive.

I'll have to check out the pink Don Juan!! sounds lovely!

I have been distracted from my garden because my mother has been very ill. She's dying from stomach cancer. At this moment she is semi-comatose, and nonresponsive. she wont be here much longer. It breaks my heart and if I let it, it could completely devastate me.

I know she loves me with her whole heart and doesnt want that for me. So....I am planning to dive in, trying to re-do my garden, accepting what I can not change and make glorious lemonade. I'll strive to make peace with the Bermuda grass and see what it will allow me, so that my garden can still be beautiful. So I have decided to use the large hollies, like needlepoint or Mary Nell, Nelly Steven's to fill in gaps of the perimeter. I have 5 Eleagnus already. Maybe I can get Rich to make a really large gate arbor over the entrance for our cars for the cl. Cecil Brunner.

Gardening can be so theraputic, Lesli. So sorry about your beloved Mother's health. Hang in there.

❤thank you!

I'm sorry about your mom; that must be hard. Take care.

Lesli, I'm am so sorry. I know how hard that it and know that your Mom would fully support your efforts. What a wonderful gift to her, in a sense.

So sorry. Wishing you the best.

Lesli, I’m so sorry to hear about your mom. Watching people go through what your mom is going through is in my opinion as hard on the families as it is on the person themselves. Sending prayers for all your family.

Lisa

Lesli I don’t know you and you don’t know me but we do have something in common. I lost my mom to lung cancer when I was 29.

For all you and your entire family are going through you have my deepest sympathy.

If your garden gives you one iota of peace grab it and hold tightly.

Hugs to you and yours

My mother is no longer suffering. She passed on a little after 5pm today. I am broken hearted but am rejoicing that she is no longer in pain.

Lesli, my heart is aching for you, but I am praying for her spirit and you and your family.

Thank you ❤

Our hearts go out to you during this difficult time, Lesli.

Lesli, I'm just now reading this. I am so sorry. This is such a tough time anyway and losing your mother now is so much more difficult. You and your family have my deepest sympathy. My thoughts and prayers for you and your family.

thank you! it has been tuff!

Lesli, My deepest sympathies to you and family and friends. I lost my mom, too. I love this song by Dion:

...You said no star was out of reach
You stood by me and I stood tall I'm everything I am
Because you loved me

I had your love I had it all
I'm grateful for each day you gave me
Maybe I don't know that much
But I know this much is true
I was blessed because I was loved by you.

~~Dion

❤thank you, it's a lovely poem