It's still there. On my hone it's at the top.

On my phone it is 3 little dots at the bottom

Lisa, on my computer the edit option is on the same line as the Like button but on the far right...

Is the edit button the little flag? Diane, the tech illiterate

The little flag definitely not! That is when you want to Mark something as spam or inappropriate.

Hoho. Good thing I didn't try to edit with it. Thank you vapor. Diane

Oh, now I see the edit/delete to the right. You can tell I haven't edited much. Or deleted anything. Diane

Thank you! I tried the three little dots in the right hand side, bottom. It works! Thanks again. Lisa

Deborah: is the picture of the bush one you took when visiting DA's gardens? what a treat that must have been! I hope I can find it before I plant every available inch. Let us know if you get one. I would love to know how it does for you, the scent, how big it gets, any problems.

Also, I meant to add, thank you for bringing up this rose. Its so beautiful and yet I knew next to nothing about it. Roses like this one are discussed less often here.

Yes -- these are photos I took at the DA gardens. I've wanted to get there for a long time. And it didn't disappoint! Plus, I had tea (Early Gray with my scone and cream and jam).

You're making me hungry, Deborah. Tonight it's either ice cream or little lemon cakes for my late night sugar binge. But tea at David Austin's gardens tea room sounds delightful. I love scones, Did they have lemon curd? To hijack your thread, I'll post a recent photo of my Dainty Bess and her stamens. I've grown her for years, and she came from Pickering Nursery in Canada. I miss that place. Diane

That’s a beautiful rose! If she was fragrant I’d be sorely tempted. ill see if I can find my photo of my tea..

That is gorgeous Diane. I had forgotten that you grow her. I love the looks of her so much! Unfortunately, no matter how much I love her. it doesn’t free up any garden space or lessen my pot ghetto. I’ll have to admire Diane’s and the Dainty Bess’s that the rest of you all are hopefully acquiring.

That must have been a wonderful trip Deborah! I’m glad you took pictures! Lisa

Thanks, Lisa, and I totally understand the lack of space. I don't have any roses in pots, and I won't go there. There are too many pots already to maintain--like lots of hot peppers, a tomato plant, basil in a whiskey barrel (not very classy), nasturtiums, and other flowers. It's more of an herb and veg garden than a patio. Lisa, I mentioned on the seasonal thread how much I like my orlaya. So far it's not invasive, but it's early days, I guess.

Thank you, too, Deborah. I'd love to see that photo, and I hope you get another trip to the gardens (if we're ever allowed into England again). Diane

Diane -- I am *trying* to be disciplined! I give away roses to friends and neighbors to make room for more...but I'm finally getting to the place where I think I want to keep all that I have (though Madam Anisette & Dark Desire are getting the side eye). Then I guess I will have to STOP! Maybe that's why I've become obsessed with filling in around the roses with cottage favorites...

Anyway -- here's the tea from my 2018 trip to the Albrighton, Shropshire Temple of Roses:

I don't remember if they had lemon curd or not. Probably did. Your Dainty Bess is lovely!

My favorite are those two roses.

Thanks, Deborah. What are the roses in the vase? The tea looks delicious, too. Sigh. Diane

Well actually how were the scones?

I love the rose bush just gorgeous!

Diane - love your Dainty Bess!!! It's such a charismatic rose!! I love lemon curd and lemon cake too....droool!

Deborah - scones/butter and jam! What's not to love? :)

So tasty, love it!

Katya - the scones were very nice. I think my favorites are at a little place called Avoca in Belfast. And I had a typo up above -- should have been EARL not Early Grey. Doh! Diane -- I don't know which roses were at my table. By the time I got there it was a bit late in the day and I had a lot to see, so I didn't dawdle! I'd love to go back and spend an entire, unhurried day.

Deborah: I do wish I could visit DA in UK now and then Belfast. And sit and eat scones. We are in so much trouble. At least me and mine are safe so far. I hope dearly that you are too.

Diane, the flowers of Orlaya just CHARM me. Lisa introduced me to Orlaya. Did you grow these from seed? Was it hard? I have never grown annuals from seeds unless you count vegetables, but even then rarely. I would love to know how it went for you, if thats OK

katya, I love orlaya, too, and Lisa sent me the seed I used to grow the plants. I just scattered the seed around where I wanted the orlaya to grow, and later up it came. This is how I grow alyssum, poppies, and cosmos. There are many other plants you can grow by just scattering the seed, rather than buying plants, or starting them indoors. Once you start growing them, just gather the seed when it is set, and you have a supply for next year. Also, these plants, and other favorites of mine like snapdragons, reseed on their own, and that helps, too. Lots of perennials will reseed on their own, also. Diane

Did you scatter them in spring or previous fall? and do you dig/scratch them in a bit? Thank you!

That is super beautiful! I hope I can create something like that gradually. Thank you so much for showing me!

In the first picture what is the purplish wide flower next to queen anne's lace?

Deborah, I apologize for interjecting the above photos in your thread--I was trying to find orlaya, but it's still in my camera, I guess. Anyway, all the above flowers planted themselves. I didn't scatter or plant a thing. Diane

Diane: I think you were the person who originally told me about Orlaya... I’m so excited to have found a seed packet at Armstrong nursery today. Do know if it can be planted at a specific time in the year or can be planted now?... or is it to late in the season to Plant it?

Diane: there’s so little info and garden pictures of Orlaya... so if you happen to find your pics... will you please share? I would love to see how it looks planted among your roses and how it’s grown in your garden.

Oh gosh, Diane, please don't apologize to me! These threads go where they go!

My two cents: I don't know if birds eat my seeds or what, but things rarely re-seed for me, and many of my own efforts at seeding just don't work at all. I don't know what my problem is. Lisa got her original Orlaya from Annie's Annuals, and then is good about collecting the seeds from the plants.

Hi all, and thanks, Deborah. I have lots of seed that ends up in the stomachs of quail, particularly, cosmos. i can no longer grow it because they eat both seedlings and seeds. They like rudbeckia seedlings, too. I still have lots of that and it reseeds itself. You should see them devour silver sage with its succulent thick, velvety leaves. A plant of silver sage lasts about a day. Do you have a particular bird in your garden that might be eating the seeds you toss around? I can't think of any other thing that would cause such a complete failure in the seeds, especially when you grow so many lovely plants. So discouraging.

Katya, I sow most of my seeds in the spring. Poppies like a cold spell, so I sow those late winter, early spring. Hollyhocks I sow in fall and spring, though I'm trying to phase those out--still some reseed themselves. The purple flower you asked about is Dara a purplish wild carrot, and the white flowers are Dara before it opens up purplish/brownish. I sowed seed just once for Dara and now it returns, but often in places where I don't want it, and I have to tear a lot of it out. It's a form of Queen Ann's Lace.

Ann, I don't know the best time for sowing in southern California. I would try fall or spring. When Lisa posts again (I hope she's OK) she could give advice on that. It may be a few days before I get the orlaya photos up. Have you googled orlaya (I'm sure you have)? There were a lot of photos and info on various sites and seed sellers listings.

Here are some hollyhocks from the past, all grown from gathered seed. Hollyhocks blow down so much in our wind, have a short bloom period, and then get scraggly and ugly, so I've quit growing them. The blooms of the doubles are often breathtaking. Diane

Diane -- your hollyhocks are gorgeous! I've given up on those. They don't like me! We have so many birds that root through the garden - not to mention the other critters. I think there are towhees that flip up all my mulch and scatter it on the patio and stepping stones. We do have quail, but they've not been the nuisances for me that they are for you. I love them with their silly little top-knots. I did hear, however, that they love CA poppy seedlings, which might explain why my native meadow never comes close to my plans for it. And I heard that crows also like seedlings. I've been trying to protect my cucumber and bean seeds from them.

Growing seed in California -- for wildflowers, the advice is to sow in fall and wait for spring rains. If I did that, I'd not get anything (see above re birds and critters). So I wait to see when the weather report calls for a good dumping of rain -- I mean more than an inch -- and then I get an area ready, put down some "topper" and sow my seeds. The downside, of course, is that if there are seeds that really need some time on the ground, they're not really getting it... This is what I do with CA native grass and wildflower seeds. With my other kinds of seeds, I have had the best success in pots. Which makes me think that I'm right that birds or other critters are stealing my seeds in the garden...

Anyway -- go to https://www.anniesannuals.com/plants/view/?id=1261 and ask to be put on the wait list for orlaya. Then when they have it, you can grab one (and grab some other plants while you're there, as shipping is expensive!). At least you'll have one!

Here are some more "hocks". I'm on a roll. Diane

Diane - I looooove your Hollyhocks!!! I sooo wish I could grow them...but they never overwinter. Wow!!! I didn't know there are that many varities...pink...oh my!!!

Carol, just caught you! Thanks for your nice comment. I have to mention again that I've been letting my hollyocks die out over the past three years because I got so tired of them being blown down in our windy area. Once they produce all the wonderful blooms, they really begin to look cruddy-the leaves are big yellowed tattered things, and the seed cases on the spent stalks aren't very lovely either. I hope this makes you feel better about not growing them. You have to keep reseeding them from gathered seed because they are biennials, usually, though some bloom in one year. Mine did both, but they are not true perennials for the most part. Diane

Diane -- this is why I've stopped growing the big poppies. They get humongous, and just before they start to bloom they start to look really ratty! So...I'll stick with the smaller poppies like Ladybird and Greek and the CA ones. But your hollyhocks ARE gorgeous when blooming! :-)

I've been thwarted two nights in a row. I downloaded an app on my phone so I can get good photos of the comet, but then the marine layer moves in and I can't see diddly squat...

I've also had my eye on Jacqueline du Pre - those red stamens give it that little something extra that makes it special. Anyone have any idea how it does with powdery mildew or rust? (In my climate, those are my 2 biggest rose disease issues.)

I missed this thread when it was first started so am late to the party, but just read through it all now - also enjoyed all the various seed advice!

Cyndita -- I ordered my Jacqueline du Pre from Heirloom (Katya, it came available again!) Roses in Oregon. Reviewers on their site seem to love the rose and find it beautiful, healthy, fragrant. It should be here in September. Now I have to decide where to plant it. I think I'm going to remove my Boscobel to make room for two more roses -- Eustacia Vye (David Austin) and Gabriel Oak (David Austin). Then I'm going to make a new area on my slope for a Teasing Georgia, and The Impressionist. So...I think that only leaves one more spot for me to put in the new Jacqueline du Pre...my front yard. But...I'm also wanting a second Moonlight in Paris, so still trying to figure that out. Argh!

Deborah, I'm glad you were able to get Jacqueline, but why don't you like Boscobel? It's a favorite of mine and one of my best bloomers. I do like the looks of the photos of EV and GO. Diane

Deborah - thank you - I just went ahead & ordered one as well, before they sell out again! I hope that you find the perfect spot for yours.

Hope we both love her!

Diane -- Your roses, as always, are gorgeous. What's the yellow on the left?

I don't *dislike* Boscobel, I just don't *love* Boscobel, and it occupies primo space...If I remove that one, I can put in two that I think I'll love (by shifting things around). I don't usually throw away roses (very rarely). I give them to neighbors who will fall in love with them. So I think of it as beautifying the world and making friends happy! I think I was never in love with the color of Boscobel in my garden. It's generally healthy, not too high maintenance...and occasionally the whole thing is in bloom at once which makes me keep it. But, as I say, I don't love the color and it's not productive enough to continue to warrant the starring role. And, as much as I love the Poet's Wife, I'm even thinking about removing one to make room for something else...so still keeping one. But we'll see when I prune everything down what I do! In the meantime, still puzzling over JdP. I wonder if she might tolerate a bit of shade...

I recently came across the 'Jacqueline du Pré' rose on HMF and think it looks very fetching! It's on my "maybe someday" wish list along with Dainty Bess and a few other singles. Did anyone in this thread happen to get one, and if so, how did it work out?

Deborah, two years ago you asked above what the yellow rose was, and I'm finally answering--it's Golden Celebration. One of my favorite roses, all nine feet, and a continuous bloomer. Oooh, we're having a big thunderstorm right now, and I see lightening. Horrible weather. I don't think I'll ever have any roses blooming at this rate.

Steve. I've grown Dainty Bess for many years. She was from Pickering in Canada. She's another constant bloomer, too. And another single I love is Morden Sunrise, which has been in my garden a long time, too. Diane