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help with messy woods?

6 years ago

I live in Ohio and I know my woods could be so lovely. Yet, they’re a mess. It’s just weeds.. the ground is hard and full of roots. Any suggestions to make this look better without adding a ton of yearly maintenance? Mulching would cost a fortune and I want the natural wooded look.. so wondering if I can do something with the ground to get ground cover or grasses to grow? The area is larger than the photo but gives the general idea. I know the fire pit needs work so that’s a whole different problem.. but I
Have a couple college kids home that love that thing or else I’d rip it out and level the ground. Any ideas would be so appreciated!!

Comments (19)

  • 6 years ago

    I see no mess. Seems to me you have a ‘the natural wooded look’ already. Neither mulch, other than fallen leaves, nor grass is natural in woods. But I would remove the pink and white stepping stones.

  • 6 years ago
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    Your woods like fine. They could look a whole lot better with Significantly Less Maintenance than you are doing now.

    That will require two things to start. You need to re-evaluate the entire concept of 'Weed' and to allow/assist/encourage nature to plant a lovely garden for you.

    For one, stop weed whacking the ground down to bare dirt. That is why the ground is hard and full of surface roots. Your maintenance routine is damaging the soil. Two define a path through the space. That is the only thing that will get whacked during the time of vegetation. Mow nothing else, just the path when the 'Weeds' start growing. That alone gives you a nice woodland walk through the woods. You might be amazed how a simple element of order, a mowed path, can make a space say garden.

    Mow the entire space, not to bare dirt, once a year at some point after the killing frosts and before the first waking of spring. I'll go March 1st for you. Chop it and drop it. Leave it lay to rot. Do Not remove the fallen leaves. Leave them there to rot.

    I have forest just like you and my soil is quite fluffy and easy to dig between the roots because I leave every thing on the ground to rot.

    Nature is quite generous with all kinds of beautiful native and naturalized plants once you learn to recognize them. And when you do you can begin to edit out the unwanted and add in more that will like the site conditions as you stroll your lovely woodland garden. You might be surprised by how many 'Weeds' are sold in nurseries these days. Your woods might already be full of them, but you have to let the 'Weeds' grow to find out.

  • 6 years ago

    Thank you both! I feel better.. it just looks like an eyesore to me but maybe I need to let it go. I haven’t touched the area since last year. It’s never been mowed. Last summer I sprayed round up on the “weeds” and moss that grew. And had some dead small trees and branches removed. I do blow the leaves every fall so I’ll stop doing that.. thanks!

  • 6 years ago

    I agree with the previous posts. Locate a good native plants garden center in your area and see what woodland plants you might want to slowly add in once you have a layer of humus there.

  • 6 years ago

    You could do a little refinement just to blur the border transition into the woods, with wide sweeps of a native ground cover. Something like this?

  • 6 years ago

    Those photos are lovely! I just have to figure out what ground cover would grow.. the dirt is so hard!

  • 6 years ago

    You’ll need to amend the soil first and work around the tree roots.

  • 6 years ago

    And it's a shame you killed off the moss. Many gardeners cultivate it.

  • 6 years ago

    my best analogy .... peeps have these gorgeous pines in the yard ... and every year.. they rake up all the needles [which many peeps pay a boatload for]... and get rid of them ... then.. every summer .. they b*tch and whine they cant grow grass under the gorgeous pines ... and im thinking.. dude.. you threw away all that free mulch.. in its native setting.. and you are beating your head against a wall.. trying to outwit mother nature.. which never really works ...


    take some time this fall .. to visit some local woods ... and just look at how mother nature deals with it ... and change your whole concept of how you see and deal with this ... and most likely .... it does not include a flower garden.. and not even a hosta garden since they are water hogs.. and you have too many super competitor trees sucking all the water out of the soil.. if in fact.. you could ever dig a hole and keep tree roots from strangling hosta ... [there is a hosta in her pic]


    as of this moment.. the fire pit is the issue .... as if you leave ma natures natural debris ... any spark could burn up the whole ... but you need to make it part of the 3 or 5 year plan to get rid of it ... or shorten that by just getting rid of the kids now.. though i suppose that not an option ... lol ...


    this is never going to be your mother or grandmothers flower garden.. so just get past that ...


    link below ... to the forest floor.. and i hate to say.. look at all that gorgeous moss ... try to make this a carefree natural forest floor .... imo


    ken


    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=forest+floor&t=ffcm&iax=images&ia=images



  • 6 years ago

    I appreciate everyone’s advice! I will let Mother Nature take its course. Definitely don’t want a flower garden.. any garden for that matter. I was more thinking of ground cover and a path or two. Until I can get rid of the fire pit.. I’m at least going to buy better looking chairs. Plastic Adirondack or something like that.. I have a birds eye view of that out of every window in the back of my house and deck.

  • 6 years ago

    I live in a wooded neighborhood..some neighbors hire crews in the fall that blow every bit of debris to the curb and haul it off..I agree with everyone's comments..I pick up big limbs and remove poison ivy and stinging nettle..but I leave the leaves and haven't ever used weed killer..my soil is soft and fluffy..it feels great underfoot..someday yours will be too..

  • 6 years ago

    the center of our backyard (parallel to the house) is more refined than each end beyond it..in pic 2 beyond the hostas you can see the wild part on one end..I like logs and use them to create paths..

  • 6 years ago
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    I have a section in the back of my yard like yours. While I have problems with weeds growing in a newly restored area, I don't have problems with weeds in the older parts of the areas.

    One thing that people don't realize. Wooded areas require a lot of work to keep them looking "natural", however the work is different than a neatly trimmed grass lawn.

    I "farm" the area encouraging the things I want and trimming out and discouraging the things I do not want. Periodically you have to trim limbs from the trees. I use a hatchet to "shave" the twigs from the trunks. While I let the little branches lay on the ground, the larger branches need to be removed. A couple of times during the year, I will spend time in the area with the string and a few times with the brush cutting blade.

    Each fall I "harvest" the leaves from the lawn for the flower beds. Some time I collect leaves from the woods area itself. I collect all of the downed branches and run them through the chipper spreader for additional mulch.

    We have a lot of sweet gum trees. I find the gum ball are great for the "gravel" on the paths that I have through the area.

    There is a huge benefit. This area in conjunction with the lawn makes a perfect environment for animals and birds. My Wife's flower bed are designed to attract birds and butterflies. We have rabbits, opossums, squirrels and deer in the yard. Since I have gotten the trial camera I find we have a fox family that comes through our yard frequently. We have all kinds of birds from humming birds to vultures. We like the woodpeckers, but enjoy that wrens, chickadees, and cardinals.

  • 6 years ago
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    krnuttle..so true..it's a lot of work to keep woods looking natural and be able to walk through it!..people think "it's a woods and I won't have to do anything to it"..if you don't it won't look or feel as nice..

  • 6 years ago

    Lisa, you may not like the look of this area as it is, but it is the exact opposite of messy lol! It actually looks very neat - which of course most natural woods don't!

    My wooded area IS messy because I don't "maintain" it. It has a floor of leaves, fallen logs, small understory trees, etc. I am hoping someday to tackle at least the parts of it nearer to the house, and wanted to thank you for starting this thread and all those who have posted great ideas and photos. Some good inspiration here!

    :)
    Dee

  • 6 years ago

    I wanted to say that I think my woods is smaller than most of yours..and I'm retired and enjoy picking up debris..we chip our debris and compost it..

  • 6 years ago

    Do you have deer? They change the whole picture. You will probably have no native herbaceous layer nor any regeneration of trees. Determine that and we can help you go from there. Also start photographing the trees, shrubs, and (as they return) herbaceous plants and posting them on Name That Plant here for quick identification. Once they are inventoried you will be able to come up with a plan that is sustainable.

  • 6 years ago

    You probably have compacted clay - it will take decades to become what some are describing unless you started to till it.


    My suggestion is exactly what you don't want to do but I'd mulch it (the free stuff or shredded hardwood) then plant shallow rooted xeric ground covers. Then leave it without re-mulching again. Might have to eliminate some types of weeds here and there. That is my opinion to reach your ultimate goal without "too much" work and maintenance.

  • 6 years ago

    Thanks! I don’t have many deer. Not in the last several years. Not exactly sure why they don’t come around as often. Same with the wild turkeys. I have foxes every summer and then you’re regular, everyday critters. Including a really annoying woodpecker! ;)