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Zero Entry Shower... hmmm... floor mat ??

5 years ago

Hi friends,

I thought I had considered EVERYTHING when designing the remodel of my shower, from having a curb to become curbless/zero entry. I missed one detail... walking out of the shower with wet feet. The door swing will be both ways... but it's not a big enough shower to step AROUND a pulled-in door and step onto a bathmat, which I always had at the threshold of my showers. I expect that when I walk out, I will push the door outward into the room. (It will hinge on the right of this photo.) I can think of various workarounds. But has anybody else figured this out? By the way, we are very excited about the work in progress. Thank you, talented friends.




Comments (38)

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    I would just get a hotel-style cotton bath mat that you can put down on the floor before you shower and hang up to dry on a towel bar afterwards. Putting down a thick bath mat defeats the purpose of a barrier-free shower.


    Something like this might work. Look for Egyptian Cotton and/or plain old terry cloth.



    Enchasoft 2-Piece Turkish Cotton Bath Mat Set, Beige · More Info


    Liz Matt thanked Sabrina Alfin Interiors
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks. That’s the workaround I contemplate. But I appreciate you showing me these pretty ones.

  • 5 years ago

    LLBean makes some good quality cotton mats.

    Love the tile!

    Liz Matt thanked houssaon
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you. The tile is from Lunada Bay. One color. A soft watery not quite greenish white. Smooth field tiles with a mosaic mat down the middle of one wall. Thanks for the reminder that LLBean is always there for us!


  • 5 years ago


    We've come a long way from this, even though we didn't move any plumbing and just enlarged the footprint to square off the corner. Removing the curb was the engineering challenge, but this is first floor on a slab so it was do-able. Just messy.


  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Off topic, but I’m concerned that there isn’t any waterproofing and that acrylipro is not rated for shower floors (you of course may have waterproofing behind the cement board and may have used different thunder on the floor)

    Liz Matt thanked HALLETT & Co.
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    There is appropriate green board (or whatever it's called) behind the wall tile and the floor eventually got all of the appropriate elastomeric treatment. Thanks. This doesn't show all the steps. But I do have photos of every step if you want too much info. :) This is a great community and this was not DIY. This tile was engineered by very good people.

  • 5 years ago

    Do you need a mat? I have an open shower and just walk over to the tub and use that mat when I dry off. Presumably the person will have to step out of the shower to grab a towel anyway

    Liz Matt thanked Marigold
  • 5 years ago

    Yeah, it's just a question of changing my habits. The new floor field tile has a nice grip. Thank you.

  • 5 years ago

    I have the same issue. I have found no real solution other than to keep a bath rug close to the door and scooch it over when exiting shower....

    Liz Matt thanked zthar
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    Wondering... are you smarter than I and did you think about this in advance? It just dawned on me. (I didn't have a bathmat I adore anyway.) I know I will adjust because, at 69 and as someone who has already had a orthopedic issue that made showering difficult, I am certain of my decision to go zero entry. I appreciate the comment.

  • 5 years ago
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    "There is appropriate green board (or whatever it's called) behind the wall tile"


    Do you have pics of what is behind the cement board as what you typed unfortunately is very confusing?

  • 5 years ago

    will the door stay dry enough that you could throw a small towel or hotel style bathmat over the inside handle, and then toss it on the floor right after you open the door?

    or keep the mat within reach on the outside handle, and put your towel on a hook nearby.

    Liz Matt thanked User
  • 5 years ago

    The frameless glass walls will not be so high that I can’t toss a terry mat over the top. There will also be a towel rack on a stationery panel on the left. So those options both exist. It’s just funny that I figured I thought of everything.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Whatever it is doesn't look as it was properly installed. They will be going right over an open seam. Looking at the fastening pattern it looks it was also applied wrong.

  • 5 years ago

    To Millworkman and GN Builders, I do not have a photo of what is behind the cement board. I will bring your comments to the attention of my GC.

  • 5 years ago

    I didn't think about it and I thought I had thought everything out just like you 😊

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Liz, do you have a picture of the rest of the wall above the tile where they stopped and this is what you should bring to your contractor attention, this improper and is sub-par installation unless someone else installed tile backing, but if the tile contractor did that he should have known better:



  • 5 years ago

    Thank you. I will

  • 5 years ago

    Waterproofing is paramount. I’m not an expert on that, so I’ll not comment, and hopefully you will listen to the pros on here.


    But I’m wondering why your door swing will not allow you to pull the door inward and step out? Why can’t you do that?

  • 5 years ago

    AJCN, I will be able to pull the glass door inward. But it’s only 45” inside the shower. Not sure if I can clear the swing on the inside. Maybe. Could be this whole line of questioning was inane for me to post. But I got some nice suggestions on floor mats. 🙃

  • 5 years ago

    In your picture above, where is your door going to be placed? Which side are you hinges going?

  • 5 years ago

    Your questions are not inane. I’ve gotten lots of help from this forum. No wrong questions.

    So where is your door hinged? The picture you posted above doesn’t show a door already installed.

  • 5 years ago

    I’m looking at the picture you posted and I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t be able to do what you want to do about the door. We have a shower door that opens inward and outward. I see nothing in your picture that would make that impossible.

  • 5 years ago

    see original post!

  • 5 years ago

    Okay, so hinging on the right. Can the glass company put a small panel on the right to give you a little more degrees of opening. Talk to your glass pro about your concerns and what your options are.

  • 5 years ago

    following

  • 5 years ago
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    This tile was engineered by very good people.

    Uh, no. I disagree.

    GN Builders brought up the same issues I was going to point out.


    Any tile pro knows to seam those joints. Those seams should have had alkaline tape, and then cement mortar to seal them. ALL SEAMS

    How was that little niche waterproofed, since it's going to be getting a lot of water spray. lets see the pictures behind the tile on the niche.

    Have no idea what is behind this cement board, but if it's not some type of vapor barrier (and no, green board doesn't count) then it's not waterproofed.

    As for the Acrylic Pro. Int isn't really something a pro-tiler uses in a shower. In fact, no tile pro worth his salt would EVER use Mastic (Acrylic Pro) in a shower! NONE.

    And it shouldn't be used for shower floors, or tiles larger than 8". What did they use for your shower floor? And what did they use for the large format tiles??

    Acylic Pro:

    Limitations to the Product

    Recommended floor tile size: 8" (20 cm) or less on all sides.
    If dry time is a concern due to tile size or other limitations noted, use a traditional polymer modified thinset mortar instead.
    Do not bond directly to hardwood, Luan plywood, particle board, parquet, cushion or sponge-back vinyl flooring, metal, fiberglass, plastic or OSB panels.
    When setting moisture sensitive natural stone, cement or agglomerate tile, check with Custom Technical Services; use EBM-LiteTM Epoxy Bonding Mortar 100% Solids or CEG-LiteTM 100% Solids Commercial Epoxy Grout.
    When installing ceramic plank tile greater than 15" (38.1 cm) long, use a cement mortar designed for large format tile.
    Do not use over non-porous surfaces such as waterproofing membranes, coated tile backer board and vinyl flooring.
    Do not use to install resin-backed marble of stone; use EBM-LiteTM Epoxy Bonding Mortar 100% Solids or CEG-LiteTM 100% Solids Commercial Epoxy Grout.
    Recommended for interior use only.

    Do not use for steam rooms, shower floors or underwater. For those installations, use CUSTOM® Polymer-Modified Mortar Systems.
    Not for use over radiant heat systems.
    Installation dry time varies depending on tile size and density, substrate porosity and ambient conditions.

    https://www.custombuildingproducts.com/TDS/TDS-127.pdf

    You're worried about a floor mat and you have several people telling you your shower wasn't built properly! you have other issues that will come and bite you in the butt down the road. wet feet will be the least of your worries.

    Liz Matt thanked Beth H. :
  • 5 years ago

    This has been very enlightening. I am sharing all of this with my general contractor. I didn't know that the installation was substandard, of course.


  • 5 years ago

    I have gotten an excellent education from the pros on this forum. I thank you all. You hire people who you have vetted through friends, who are happy. You look at their work and make a determination. Then, as homeowners, you step back and presume to let professionals work their magic. If I hadn't inadvertently exposed the "backstage" inadequacies of this job --- thinking I was just showing a photo of the mess of removing the curb --- I wouldn't know any of this. There is a lot to work through now. I thank everyone.


  • 5 years ago

    Liz, curious as to what your GC said when presented w/this info.


    Did you find out if there is a vapor barrier behind the shower walls? it should be something like tar paper or 4MM plastic sheeting over the studs.


    why the seams weren't taped/mortared?


    was the shower floor properly sloped and waterproofed?


    and what was used on the shower floor tiles and outside the floor w/those larger tiles? They use that Acrylic Pro???

  • 5 years ago

    Shower curtain instead of door could work

    Liz Matt thanked roccouple
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    Floor was sloped appropriately. I am in another state while this job was executed. I have a lot to figure out about the walls.

  • 5 years ago

    Nice shower!


    I have a curbless shower and opted for a shower curtain (though I actually hate shower curtains 'cos they seem to drip everywhere). In my bathroom, a glass door on hinges would have taken up too much space and involve pushing or pulling, which might become more difficult as I become more creaky.


    I'm not sure I understand the door dilemma. Mud and rock technicalities? Not my thing at all.


    As for the mats, I had a similar issue about the bathroom floor near the shower and mat or no mat. After living with it for several months with no bathroom mats at all (I think I used a towel on the floor when I showered), I finally caved and bought a cheap Ikea bathmat (turns out I love it underfoot) that is in front of the sink (by far the wettest place), but next to the shower. Problem solved.


    If it were me, I'd get a cheap-o mat and see whether your little tootsies like it. Or not. Decision made.

  • 5 years ago

    Check into Aqua-Fold shower doors. Lowe's has them. They are bi-folds that pivot in or out of the shower stall.


  • 6 months ago

    We just finished a zero entry shower with a hinge door as you are going to have. I bought a nice bath run but quickly found out that the door, which has a rubber strip underneath it, just pushes the rug out of the way. I have not found a work around yet and may have to replace the door altogether.



  • 6 months ago

    You could try this style of mat - I think it's called nappa leather. We also have a door that would get stuck hitting regular mats but with this style it glides over