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How Level Should Countertops be?

5 years ago

Hi - how level should my kitchen island counter be? It looks like mine slants from front to back about 1/8th an inch per foot. My contractor was a nightmare to deal with so I let him go and have been having other groups help me finish my project. Would it be possible to have the counter top installer shim this large slab (it’s “double thick”). There are two pieces of plywood between the quartz and the cabinets themselves. I’ve attached pictures of my level along with the side and under view. Please let me know if you have any advice! Unfortunately my floor tilts a bit the opposite direction of the counters.

Comments (10)

  • 5 years ago

    Cabinets needed to be shimmed level before tops installed. And a torpedo level is no way to check anything for being level. Depth get a 2' level, width a 6' level.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks. I will go buy another level today to get a more accurate feel for the situation. Is there any way this could be shimmed?

  • 5 years ago

    Is this acceptable?

  • 5 years ago

    Sure, you can level the top by leaving the cabinets as is. Can you tell visually? Some carpenters think if the bubble is anywhere between the lines, it's good!

  • 5 years ago

    I can tell a little bit but I’m a little OCD :) thanks for the reply!

  • 5 years ago

    If you’re OCD, drop a little water on it and see if it runs.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Use a longer level please, but that doesn't look good at all. The Natural Stone Institute requires tops to be level 1/8" over 10'. You're way past that. The danger is from torquing the top and inducing a crack.

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks Joseph! The pictures from the second level where the bubble is in the middle but offset is a 4 foot level. It seems to show a similar measure when compared to the small level.

    I’ve had a ton of issues with my contractor that I won’t go into.

    I now have an island with custom Decora Cabinets wrapped with decorative panels that’s off level. The small wall behind the cabinets is built with metal studs (about 5 inches thick, even though I asked for wood). I then have 14 inches of “double thick” quartz silestone counters.

    Is there any reference ready code items that I could either use in court or against my contractors liability insurance? He’s a nice/good guy but he and his crew seem to be incapable of doing anything correct.

    In addition to this island issue they didn’t properly level my concrete sub floor. I pulled up some of my new LVT to relevel but only so much could be done without pulling out appliances. The contractor also mounted my upper cabinets across from the island a full inch too low. We bumped up the cabinets above the fridge for it to work but it’s low clearance so leveling under/near the fridge isn’t an option. Now I’ve got $10k in appliances installed in $20k of cabinets with $10k in counters weighing it down. I have a furniture repair team coming in to fix scratches and dents in my cabinets. They also put screws too close to the surface of some cabinets creating bumps and imperfections in paint.

    Does anyone have any suggestions here? Other than starting over I’m not seeing a clean path forward to not live in a fun house where nothing is level. I didn’t think I needed to specify that I wanted things level.

    My place looks ok but doesn’t feel right. I paid the contractor about $45k to mess up about $70k on high end building supplies. Thanks for reading a long post! I appreciate any guidance you can provide.

  • 5 years ago

    *14 inch counter overhang

    I’m a little worried the metal isn’t doing it’s part since it’s slanted that direction but I can’t be certain that it’s getting worse with time.

    Do you think the counters could be taken off without too much damage, the back wall reinforced and leveled, and the counter put back on?

    I know you’re supposed to level cabinets to the floor, not the space between counter and cabinet. Does the 2 sheets of plywood under the quartz (masked by the “double thick edge look”) give me any more options for leveling?