bloom

entire shrub

zone 9/10, unseasonally HOT

Try this on the Garden Web rose identification forum if you haven't yet.

Not sure if it's Climbing Hermosa, but they look similar. Check it out, at the very least Hermosa could be another rose for you to fall for! I love it.

My mystery rose is not a climber but a shrub.

Hermosa is lovely indeed. Thank you for referring to it.

Paul neyron maybe ?

Brother Cadfael? Diane

Maybe leave a note, with a self-addressed stamped envelope?

It's a real stunner - I'm curious now too!

I was also going to say Setina aka Cl. Hermosa. Is it fragrant? How would you describe the thorns and leaves Pictures of those would be useful. Setina is a climber, but I have both it and Hermosa and find them similar. I love this rose. Lilyfinch has seen it growing near her in CA. I second the suggestion to just ask and love the idea of a SASE. : ))

My mystery rose is not a climber but a shrub

I wouldn't be inclined to make so certain a declaration about this one, it looks like it is already on its way to producing a climbing effect - with additional support it might get quite a bit taller and additionally billowing.

Thank you all so much!

It's Louise Odier. You nailed it Flowersaremusic.

I'm in Israel and the other varieties suggested aren"t available commercially here. Choice is way more limited than in the US.

Need2SeeGreen, this shrub grows on the edge of an apparently uninhabited property, thriving on neglect :)

Wintercat, I just planted my rooted cutting of Louise Odier last fall, so I'm thrilled to know what to look forward to. I don't have the rose growing climate of Israel, but I'm hoping for the best. I'm glad you could narrow it down to a name.

Actually the Israeli climate, except in the mountains, is not so good for roses. Once summer gets into high gear here on the inner coastal plain, roses go into a coma in the turkish bath. Hardy ones like Iceberg still bloom but produce smaller, sickly flowers.

HMF site says Louise Odier does not do well in warmer climates and is prone to blackspot, so I think it'll do great in your zone 5.

It has been a warm winter here so far, which may account for Louise's great looks at the moment. Iceberg of course is blooming its head off. The occasional warm winter here is good for roses, but this is a land of summer. Too much summer.

Wintercat ... if no one lives there ... gosh, I wouldn't want to get you in trouble, but ... there must be some sort of a rule about this situation.

But, I'd still try leaving a note first, just in case.

Need2SeeGreen, what kind of trouble exactly you have in mind? This is one of the highest crime rates city in this country and I've been living here for 15 years. Time for me to fit in. Please specify. I'm game :)

Well you could take cuttings or if the property is abandoned for sure, maybe transplant 😎lol here we call it rose rustling . Under the guise of “preservation “ lol but I bet others enjoy seeing the rose so I would just do cuttings

Wintetcat, you crack me up.

When it comes to rose rustling, I am always game too

I sure hope that you can get many starts on the Beautiful Louise Odier

What city do you live in ?

Cuttings sound great. As for rustling (I just love this word) , the shrub is very well established, so rustling will take quite a while, and I'd rather not risk a confrontation with neighbours.

In a couple months I can order some grafted plants, which I prefer to own root. I had bad results with own root Iceberg, whreas the grafted ones thrived, and Iceberg is a kind of benchmark for me.

You learn something new every day. That's a great term - "rose rustling." Only as a last resort of course.

Wintercat, I was wondering, how is it being watered? Maybe a neighbor has already "adopted" it? Forgive my ignorance but I had thought that part of the world had more of an arid climate? Anyhow, maybe it is a way to make new friends in the neighborhood? It is really a gorgeous, inspiring plant.

It is arid here (she wrote to the sound of pouring rain because winter is back). I've been wondering too how this rose survived at least a couple of sizzling summers. Half its roots are beneath a paved passageway and the soil here preserves moisture very well, but preserved moisture from winter wouldn't last all through such long summers. Perhaps there's a leak from a water or sewage pipe.

Didn't Lisa's Louise Odier flourish in Californian dry heat, exceptionally well? I could be misremembering of course, and IIRC there was some question of whether or not it really was LO, or someone else....

My goodness!!!! Beyond beautiful!!!

I think Lisa's was something else, Comtesse.

Ah, thanks Sheila. I remembered a long discussion but never found out what the conclusion/ consensus was on the ID...

Paul Neyron

I thought Lisa's was Grandmother's Hat.

I remember a VERY long thread about it a couple years ago haha