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Decking for ground-level Colorado deck?

5 years ago

Hi all, I'm putting in an approximately 12x16 deck in my backyard outside of Denver, Colorado (elevation 5300ft). For privacy issues, I'd prefer it to be as low as possible, maybe 6-8" above grade? Most of the deck (about 2/3) has a lot of shade, the rest will have sun. I am hoping for a low maintenance solution, and will have a cedar hot tub sitting on top of it. I'd prefer to stay away from composite if possible.


(1) I am considering Garapa, Thermory Ash, and Black Locust. Possibly Sassafras? I am wondering what might work best with such a low deck in a sunny, dry, and sometimes snowy environment (humidity above will never be an issue but possibly below?) Ipe is financially out of reach and I actually prefer the look of Garapa. Though a local decking store told me that they have only seen Red Balau and Ipe work well here. Assuming I should go with 5/4x4 to minimize potential movement, as well as SS surface screws?


(2) If I choose a tropical hardwood, I'd prefer it to not be illegally harvested. Is Garapa more sustainable/easier to obtain than Ipe?


(3) Local prices seem to be at least double the prices of the online places. I know East Teak and Advantage have good reputations here. How about HardwoodDeckingSupply.com, ElementLumber, or Robidecking? Anyone worked with them? If we order online, should the wood be air dried or kiln dried for my dry climate, and how long should I plan on acclimating?


(4) Finally, my contractor has suggested digging about 8" deep and filling with 2-3" inches of gravel, and framing from there. Is that the right approach? And I am assuming that even though it's at ground level, we should be pouring footers below the frost line because of the hot tub, is that right?


Thank you!

Comments (7)

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    4.) Wood decks should always have airspace underneath them. "Bathtub" style to be inset in the ground is not the best situation. Check your AHJ, as sometimes permits and full footings do not apply to decks that are under 30" or so and floating. If you are required to have permit, need footings, or are attaching to the house, make sure your contractor, and yourself, are familiar with AWC Prescriptive Residential Wood Deck Construction Guide. It is code in most areas and is a template for how to build a deck properly.

    Betsey Biggs thanked 3onthetree
  • 5 years ago

    Hi, thanks for replying, and yes, I'm aware of the ventilation issues. However, Houzz and the world at large are full of floating ground-level decks. I'm trying to figure out the best way to accomplish it. I have already checked and don't need a permit.

  • 5 years ago

    @AdvantageLumber.com do you sell air-dried lumber? Also, any thoughts among the species listed and/or any others?

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    5 years ago

    We sell both air-dried and kiln-dried. Some species only come in kiln-dried (e.g., cumaru and massaranduba) because they tend to check when air drying. Ultimately, though, it's the final moisture content and the acclimation process that matters, not necessarily the way it was dried. I'd still recommend air-dried as long as it's offered.


    Aside from garapa and ipe, I haven't dealt much with the other species you mentioned, so I can't speak to their effectiveness in your climate. Ipe of course would be fantastic, but it's out of your budget. Garapa is less stable than ipe with regard to moisture expansion/contraction, but generally works well anyway as long as you take the proper precautions (acclimation, ventilation).


    One option that would completely eliminate any concerns about ventilation is to use wood deck tiles. They are pre-built tiles made of narrow slats secured to backer pieces in order to mitigate any movement that standard boards would see in projects lacking ideal ventilation. You can even install them directly at ground level over a concrete slab.


    https://www.advantagelumber.com/deck-tiles/

    Betsey Biggs thanked AdvantageLumber.com
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for all of this. I think I have settled on Batu (Red Balau) because of the price difference and the fact that it's easier to work with, hence a lower labor charge. Can anyone tell me: is it necessary to oil Batu if I don't mind the silvered look? Particularly in a dry environment, is it important to oil it on all four surfaces before putting it down?

  • 3 years ago

    Hey Betsey, curious how everything went with your project and any learnings to share from working with Batu? 🙏🏻

    We’re looking into a ground level free standing deck as well and debating between Batu or Azek (PVC) but really want actual wood if possible. Just worried about maintenance and cost/labor being more bc of it being a harder material to work with.