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Window replacements on stucco

5 years ago

Hello,


We noticed a water leak in the living room ceiling following days of heavy rain and wind.


We asked a couple of contractors to come by and both suggest that the water infiltration most likely comes from the second floor window. It was suggested that the portion of that stucco wall from the window down be redone in addition to replacing the second floor window and reflash it.


Both contractors submitted comparable quotes for this work.


However, since we were also considering repainting the house, one of the contractors walked around to inspect the stucco and noticed signs of possible water infiltration in another wall section. Again, more than likely coming from 3 windows on the second floor. Again, it was recommended that this portion of the stucco be broken down and windows replaced and reflashed.


Our dilemma is that we would a handful of new construction windows mixed with original windows and we are concerned about how that would look.


The house was built in 2001 and many of the windows have condensation issues. In addition, the Southwest exposure and the summer heat must not help (Sacramento, CA).


We are considering replacing about 20 windows on that side of the house in addition to a sliding door. Being new construction window replacements, the total cost is rather considerable. It was not recommended that we go with retrofit windows due to the existing water infiltration.


We certainly had not planned for such a high expense and had been planning indoor renovations instead (installing shutters for instance). Even if we proceed with those window replacements, we would still have the other side of the house to do at some point, which is another 15 windows or so.


At a minimum, we would need to do the window replacement and stucco repair on the side where we have the leak. However, are there potentially less costly alternatives to replacing the other windows that we have not thought of or been suggested?


Our concern is the potential for future water infiltration in those other windows since we already have at least one visible instance so far.


We’d love some guidance and suggestions, if possible.


Thank you!

Comments (9)

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Can you post some pictures of the window and wall in question?

  • 5 years ago

    Hi,


    Certainly!


    This is the side of wall that would need to be redone along with the window replacement and flashing (the portion to the right of the corner and to the left of the chimney)




    This is another side where water infiltration is suspected. It was recommended the stucco be broken down and windows replaced including the sliding door below.





    This is the interior of the sliding door which prompted the contractor to suggest water infiltration. I don't know enough about construction to know whether this is accurate.




    This is what some of the other windows look like.
















  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Leak on the windows above would show at the head jamb of the door. Once it flows behind the stucco. Where did the top window leak? I would look into what is referred to as a "Frame Jump" installation.

  • 5 years ago

    We do not see a leak at the window head inside the house. The leak is visible in the living room ceiling which is located about a third of the way down between the top and bottom windows in the first photo (basically where you see the left "shoulder of the chimney").

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Yes. I edited my post as I read through yours. Look up Frame Jump installation. Best and cleanest way to do it without disturbing the stucco.

  • 5 years ago

    WOW - Being on the east coast and probably not familiar with stucco, a "Frame Jump", "Zee Bar" etc. (it has many names) is not a solution if there is a leak. If it is the window(s), It will continue to leak since the old frame is still there. It may work initially but once the caulking/sealant wears away between the new frame and old frame, the trouble will resurface. Especially on the weather side which is where the problem is.

    My recommendation since you are looking at a considerable investment is to determine first and foremost where the leak is coming from. It could be the roof. I have seen that when it seemed that the windows were at fault. Go up into the attic space and look for water intrusion and if none, then move to the windows and do a water test with the windows taped off to isolate the stucco/flashing. If you a certified tester, it can cost several thousand dollars but money well spent if you don't have to tear stucco off and replace windows. Good luck!

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Actually we have stucco, albeit not the norm, here on the East Coast as well. Frame jumps, if done properly, will work just fine in this application if the leak is between the original frame and stucco. I am sure you know this as well already, so I am mostly stating this for the board consumers of information that are not as educated on application as you or I are.


    If what the consumer can see, i.e. the connection between the stucco and frame, is otherwise well sealed and the caulking/sealant, is intact, the leaks are most often coming (in the case of actual window leaks...as many window leaks are mis-attributed to the windows) from the corners where the window are assembled (most are aluminum) or the weeping system.


    Installing a new window, even in a frame jump application, works to abate that issue as it is providing a new "primary" weeping pathway that will empty the contents of the water accumulation OUTSIDE of the old window track.


    This only applies to window that are ACTUALLY leaking at that interface. As stated, many "window leaks" are falsely attributed to the window are are from cracks or other roof related issues. In those situations, the source of the water must first be identified because a frame jump in that case, will NOT fix the leak and may actually worsen it by trapping water in the interstitial frame space between the two windows.


    Frame jumps do work quite well on actual window leaks at the pathways that are mentioned above (i.e. frame or weeping pathway leaks) by move the water back out to the outermost plane of the home.

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you all for the comments, I appreciate it!


    Looking at the third photo above, the cracked trim around the sliding door, does this suggest water infiltration? I’m just trying to determine whether the whole stucco wall above really needs to be redone or replacing the second floor windows would be sufficient. There is no other evidence of water leaking on this end as opposed to the other side (first photo) where we do see a section of the living room ceiling bulging.


    Thanks again!

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    At this point, you probably need someone that understands stucco and all of its nuances before you start yanking stuff out.


    Windows guys will want to replace windows and while they are sometimes the culprit, you can actually make things much worse if you get the wrong guy in there.