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scottl10

Window advice: Full frame or pocket - Please help!

5 years ago

We are facing window replacement in our home built in 1990. Evidently these original windows were made by M&W. I have read enough to know that these wood windows have had a history of issues leaking etc. Many of ours are showing signs of leaks with mildew apparent. In addition, we will need to replace our 2 patio door sets - one of which is leaking and rotting towards the bottom. It has become apparent that the bottom of the glass portion is leaking. Needless to say at ~40 windows and two triple door patio door replacement, this is will be a significant spend.

After doing some research, and collecting a few bids (mostly for pocket installs), it sounds like a full frame replacement may be better? Is that a rule of thumb with the age and make of my windows? How do I know? One contractor stated that a pocket install for my windows (site unseen) would only last for 10 yrs.

I really prefer the look of wood, but the cost and performance seems prohibitive (particularly with the number of windows/doors). Suggestions on a mfg/model that has a wood like look that's reasonable? Previously looked at Anderson woodwright and pella lifestyle but since soured upon reading reviews and comments here. Vinyl alternatives? OKNA 800?

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  • PRO
    5 years ago

    What about any of your research says that full tear outs are the better way to go?


    If properly done pocket inserts only last 10 years...we are in a heap of trouble. Hint...that is a BS comment. They don't only last 10 years.

    Comments (15)

    • 5 years ago

      If the frames are sound and solid no reason at all to not do a replacement/pocket type install. Less work as the interior drywall, trim, and exterior siding is typically not disturbed. OKNA 800's would be a great choice for that type product.

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    • 5 years ago

      Thanks. I believe this installer was saying in my case - with M&W windows that I would effectively be capping/trapping bad frames and as a result - not neccessarily the windows, but frames would fail and the project would need work again in 10 years.

    • PRO
      5 years ago

      Why are the frames not being capped?

    • 5 years ago
      last modified: 5 years ago

      I think he's saying they would be - but you would be capping bad wood potentially?

    • 5 years ago
      last modified: 5 years ago

      No.. that is bs. Inserts/ replacements can last just as long. We do both and I can tell you insert/ replacements can be just as good and last just as long.

      Okna 600 is available as new construction.

      what state are you in? Is it a very hot and humid climate ?

    • 5 years ago
      last modified: 5 years ago

      Yes, hot and humid in North Carolina and live in a very wooded neighborhood

    • 5 years ago

      Like I said if the frames are sound and solid no reason not to use replacement windows. Remember the installer you spoke with probably does not do a quality replacement window and or he can make more money with full tear out new const. windows.

    • 5 years ago

      Thanks. That sounds logical.. How can I determine if the frames are sound and solid?

    • 5 years ago

      Inspect for soft spots/obvious rot on the frames or brickmold, black mold on the surface, etc.

    • 5 years ago

      This is the installers rationale for replacing entire frame:

      https://www.wdmore.com/window-problems/

    • 5 years ago

      They make it sound like doomsday. Like I said just make sure the frames have minimal or no rot (small spots may be repairable) and have the frames wrapped in aluminum.

    • PRO
      5 years ago

      Uh...no. If the frames are sound and can accommodate a replacement/insert set, do it that way. Been doing this for nearly 20 years and have had zero issues when done properly.

    • 4 years ago

      Scott-who did you end up using for your windows, full replacement of pocket? I’m also in NC, in Cary and I am getting conflicting advice on pocket versus full replacement. Our house is 32 years old and also a wooded neighborhood, also we are doing new siding. Would love any information on your experience.

    • PRO
      4 years ago

      If you are doing siding, the calculus changes at that point. The reality is that you can avoid all of the issues with full tear outs because you can go full, new construction type application.

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