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The lineage of Halcyon

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

I was able to go back to link, which still works in the original post in my post: Discovering new Relationships. Ken is the one that sent this info to me.

“The “Longiana” Story (Solberg 2009)

Way back in the fall of 1961 Eric Smith took some pollen from a late, reblooming plant of H. sieboldiana and crossed it on to the first flowers of a H. ‘Tardiflora’ scape. He had to finish ripening the seeds inside in a solution of sugar and water. He was able to germinate about 30 seeds of which 14 were blue. The result was his famous group of “Tardianas”, of which ‘Halcyon’ was the first introduced from this historic cross in 1974. He was never able to set seed on ‘Tardiflora’ again. (The Hosta JournalVol. 13, page 18.)

He was able to cross this first generation (F1) with itself and produce a second generation (F2) of very blue hostas with variable leaf shapes. ‘Blue Wedgwood’, ‘Blue Dimples’, ‘Hadspen Blue’ and ‘Blue Moon’ are some of the most widely grown. Eric Smith was able to achieve his goal of producing small, heavily substanced, blue hostas for the very small garden.

As a group of maybe 30 in number or more, (they have become collector’s items now and many have been named after the fact), “Tardianas” are all small to medium size plants with at least some white wax so that they appear blue in color. They have good substance and a sort of stiffness and sturdiness to their personality. Their clumps are usually pretty tight with dense foliage. They are almost the perfect hostas, (you certainly could argue that ‘Halcyon’ is), although some of the second generation seedlings are very slow growing, like ‘Blue Moon’.

Being a student of hosta history and a great admirer of the insight of Eric Smith, when the rare opportunity of a reblooming H. sieboldianapresented itself to me in 1997, instead of repeating Eric Smith’s cross, I decided to use ‘One Man’s Treasure’ as the second parent. ‘One Man’s Treasure’ is a seedling of H. longipes hypoglauca and for all intents and purposes a form of the species, H. longipes. My new hostas were to be “Longianas”. I expected them to be blue, larger and more vigorous than the “Tardianas”, and well suited to all growing conditions.

I recovered 15 seeds from that cross and five seedlings made it to maturity. There was not a ‘Halcyon’ in that group, all were mediocre plants brimming with genetic potential. In 2001, hundreds of second generation seeds were taken from the F1 seedlings and germinated. Several hundred seedlings were then culled, first for the best blue color, and second for interesting leaf shapes, and soon there were only 25.

In 2010, 13 years later, I am introducing four of my second generation “Longiana” seedlings. They are a very special group of hostas, a new genetic combination, not of the historic proportions of the “Tardianas” by far, but a new line of breeding for all hosta hybridizers to incorporate into their seedling programs. All four are vigorous growing medium to large hostas with good color and distinct leaf shapes. They have good substance but lack the stiffness of the “Tardianas” and are more interesting to the eye. While none may ever rival ‘Halcyon’, ‘Summer Squall’ and ‘Sun Shower’ are great hostas.”

Comments (12)

  • 5 years ago

    debra..I read your post but it's above my head Lol..
    I have Halcyon..it's here somewhere in front..when I moved in there were zero blues..I've changed that..

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked nicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis
  • 5 years ago

    I got Halcyon in one of those multi packs from Walmart around 2009. They were pretty much all mislabeled but that is how I really discovered hostas. I have one Halcyon in deep shade and the other in a lot of sun and they are both pretty amazing every year.

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked kay21_utahzone5b
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    Nicholsworth, I guess what I got out of the article was that Halcyon comes from the Tardianas a1nd was actually kind of a mistake so to speak. That cross was made only once as Bob was never able to set seed on the Tardiflora again. So this historic cross produced Halcyon, which in turn produced many sports and progeny. In fact he referred to this group as almost perfect and certainly considered Halcyon to bee perfect.

    So it’s just so interesting and amazing how this novel seed setting in 1974 is still creating hostas today.

    debra

  • 5 years ago
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    debra..one of life's happy accidents..it seems they can't duplicate it..
    June is one of my favorites..Halcyon has a big ripple effect..

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked nicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks Deb! Great read.

    Pieter

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked Pieter zone 7/8 B.C.
  • 5 years ago

    I don’t think it would be that hard to recreate tardiana look a likes. If one could locate a piece of tardiaflora. Blues in general are easy to breed. There are just so many already. the difficult part is to produce something novel. Which halcyon did For it’s time.


    bob was hoping to recreate glory with a whole different species X seiboldiana. Which is not in the cards because longipes lacks tardifloras wax production.


    the new goal is to create a great blue with colored petioles and blushing. Which is pretty hard, due to the bloom times being opposites.

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked hosta_maker
  • 5 years ago

    I got something called an "English Halcyon" cause what they have over there may be slightly different or its just a climate thing or who knows. Perhaps its just (insert racist English remark here). Any one know the story behind that?

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked steve duggins(Z6a) - Central Ohio
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks everyone! I thought the article was very interesting although I am just learning about hosta creation. hosta_maker I am happy you commented because I was certain there was new information since 1974! I was just excited to find and read about this historic cross. Things have come a long way since then!

    debra

  • 5 years ago

    Is the forcing of a Halcyon bloom done with sugar water as detailed in the article above? Is this commonly done when making hostas? I guess that answer must have a book for an answer! :-)

    debra

  • 5 years ago
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    Forcing is done by bring the pot indoors early under lights, the warmth forces it to break dormancy. if the plant doesn’t adhere to a strict photoperiodism it will bloom earlier than it normally would. Giving the hybridizer the chance of crossing it to early bloomers. I’ve got about a dozen I’m forcing this year.

    The reverse technique of cutting the scape on a early bloomer and fertilizing heavily can get it to rebloom late.

    I often use the pollen from first year seedlings that bloom earlier than they will once they mature.

    sugar water has never worked for me. If the plant is in a pot I bring the whole thing indoors to finish. Which may or may not work. It depends on how fast the variety is committed to going dormant.

    newer techniques of hormones and bright lights work better than sugar water.

    djacob Z6a SE WI thanked hosta_maker
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks hosta_maker, it figures something newer in forcing blooms would have come along. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

    debra

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