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Citrus Update + Other Citrus Intros

5 years ago

Hello,

I meant to update a few weeks ago but life got in the way. I wanted to give an update to my Meyer Lemon tree that I posted about previously -

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6132030/meyer-lemon-tree-needs-help


So the tree is somehow still alive! In fact, it flowered and is currently holding onto 3 tiny little fruit. I know I have to take them off but where does one exactly do that? Cut them or pull them off? The photos as of today. It's normally on a windowsill but was moved here for photo-taking purposes. Brace yourselves, it's not pretty:






I had to snip off the other branches because they turned died. Do you think that my tree is going to die if I pull the lemons off? There is no sign of other life aside from this one branch. The trunk is still very green.


In better news, here's an introduction to my other trees:



The curtains are normally open but I had to close them for photos. From left to right is Calamondin, Meyer Lemon (premium size) and Key Lime.


Aside from a spider mite scare, they're doing surprisingly well. The Calamondin:



Is it too small to bear fruit still? It's currently holding onto about 5 pea-sized Calamondin.


The Meyer Lemon Redemption Tree:



It's holding onto one olive sized lemon. Is the tree also too small and should I cut the fruit off?


The Key Lime wisely decided not to try fruiting this year:



Any help or advice is much appreciated!

Comments (24)

  • 5 years ago

    Remove those lemons.

    annieplantsny thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 5 years ago

    You're growing indoors aren't you? As for the lemons, I would remove them. I wouldn't try to pull them off as you can damage the branch, instead I would take a small sharp scissor, sterilize it (pour some rubbing alcohol on a paper towel and wipe it down, then let the alcohol evaporate, do this between cuts on different trees to avoid spreading pathogens), and then gently snip off the fruits. A word of caution: I notice that you have your trees spaced fairly close together. If your trees adapt well, and begin to grow well, they can get relatively large fairly quickly. You won't want to remove all that growth, so making sure they get enough light can become a challenge. If I get a chance I'll post a picture of what my fukushu looked like when I got it versus the monster I have to reach through to close my blinds. Just keep that in mind as you arrange your growing area.

  • 5 years ago

    Wow, beautiful tree! Did you have to shape it at all, or how did you get it into that shape? I think that also answers my question about getting a thicker trunk: it takes time.


    So should all the fruit be taken off? The lemons on both trees and the Calamondins too?

  • 5 years ago

    The shape is partially me, (I use wire to bend branches so I can keep them while breaking apical dominance), partially an unfortunate incident with the couch at new years. (Someone snapped off three branches with fruit by running the couch into the bent branches).


    Removing fruit is a preference thing, and it really depends on the strength of the tree. If the tree is otherwise healthy, is potted, and is secure I wouldn't worry about a fruit or two. (Usually in ground you would remove them so the tree will produce more roots). If the tree is stressed, sick, or the bloom occurred as a result of stress, then I would remove them. I hope that helps.

    annieplantsny thanked bonsai_citrus_and_indoor_gardening
  • 5 years ago

    According to Perdue University research leaving one fruit on a small tree does not affect, nor hurt the tree. You can feel safe leaving a fruit 0n your trees.

    annieplantsny thanked Silica
  • 5 years ago

    I could only hope for that kind of growth but I don’t have the best light setup (north facing windows and grow lights).


    I think I would like my citrus to reach that size you have and stay that size since I’m strictly indoor growing for now. I will have to pick your brain on that down the road.


    Thanks Silica, I honestly am so amazed by the fact that I have possible fruit that I really wanted to leave at least one and watch what happens even though its’s still young, so I’m glad to read that.


    I will take the fruit off the tree in the first picture though. I really need that one to focus on growing another branch or something! How do I help it do that? I’ve heard of pinching but there’s not much there.



  • 5 years ago

    Professor Of Horticulture Keren Koch of the University Of Florida did the research that a citrus fruit growing on a tree only takes the energy from the 2 or 3 leaves closest to the fruit to grow and develop into a mature fruit. It does not absorb energy from the entire tree. This research led to the safety of letting one fruit remain on a small tree.

  • 5 years ago

    To encourage your tree to branch, without further stressing a stressed tree, you can simply wrap some bonsai wire about 1/4 of the thickness of the branch around it and gently bend the tip towards the ground. This breaks apical dominance the same as pinching new growth without removing anything. It will encourage branching. For the most part, though, let the tree grow. Give it time.

    annieplantsny thanked bonsai_citrus_and_indoor_gardening
  • 5 years ago

    Or if you don't want to go to all that trouble, just clip off the apical domination.

    annieplantsny thanked Silica
  • 5 years ago

    Emmergency! So I have a slight aversion to insects I just found what look like eggs:





    the little white spots, I also think I saw something moving. This is the only tree that I dont have in 5-1-1, its in the original soil mix from Four Winds Growers.


    My instinct is to go nuclear so I flushed it with hyrogen peroxide and left it in the bathtub. I’m hoping they’re fungus gnat eggs? I have mosquito bits and diatomaceous earth and neem oil. and lots of alcohol. Please advise before I destroy my Meyer Lemon Redemption Tree.

  • 5 years ago

    Those look to me like they might be fertilizer pellets. If they are eggs, and it's fungus gnats, the bti will take care of them. A good coating of food grade DE on the surface of the pot will take care of the adults. If you have a crawler, like a spidermite, etc. You can always fill a bathtub with water, cover the pot in a mesh, and then dunk the whole plant pot and all in the tub. Leave it for 45 min to 2 hours and then remove, drain, and return. You should be able to see any live insects dead in the water. Then just don't water until the soil dries out. No need to panic, bugs happen on new plants. (That's why I quarantine all mine for 40 days before placing them with the rest). But if your plants don't go out and aren't super close to a window you keep open all the time, you shouldn't have many problems with insects.

  • 5 years ago
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    I don't think you can see fungus gnat eggs with the naked eye, they are much too small. I agree with bonsai that they look like fertilizer pellets.

    annieplantsny thanked Ken B Zone 7
  • 5 years ago

    I meant to type there, as in there are eggs, thanks for catching that ken. Yes fungus gnat eggs are far too small to see.

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you both, are there any eggs you can see with the naked eye? Tried to take better photos-





    Ive had this tree since early June and treated for spider mites but I know those eggs would be microscopic. It had flowers when I got the tree so I was waiting to repot.


    I know its irrational but I dont handle insects well:) Another reason why I'm a fan of indoor gardening.

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    Indoor gardening and outside gardening, no difference when it comes to pests with me. They will get in through any means even if you never have a window open. It's part of the evolutionary process or magic acts they can perform.

    In fact, I have less issues with pest with they are outside because it's the only time beneficial ones can get rid of what is on any of my plants.

    When we grow the outside inside, that is every plant except those susceptible to pest, you get them. It's the risk we all take.

    Any citrus trees if I grew them solely inside would never perform their best even with the best of artificial lights.

    Keep trying though. I give you credit))

    annieplantsny thanked Meyermike(Zone 6a Ma.)
  • 5 years ago

    I don't see anything that looks like eggs, but most of the critters that you'd worry about, you wouldn't see them. I think whether or not you have pests really just depends on where you live. There are ways to minimize them, even eliminate them in some places, but there's always the possibility. Some houses just already have them and there isn't much you can do. But I haven't had a plant yet from four winds that has any bugs.

    annieplantsny thanked bonsai_citrus_and_indoor_gardening
  • 5 years ago

    No animal/insect would lay eggs in the open to be seen and eaten. Your safe.

    annieplantsny thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 5 years ago

    I'm still here, I haven't chucked every plant in the trash and given up this hobby (yet). Thanks everyone for the reassurances!


    I swear I saw something tiny crawling around in the soil though and I may have gone a little overboard with the diatomaceous earth (there's maybe an inch-thick layer covering the soil). This brings me to questions about repotting. As I said, everything except for this tree is in 5-1-1 and I was waiting to repot this Meyer until the fall, I think I remember reading on this forum that was the ideal time to repot.


    Would it be okay to repot now? I'd like to take a look at the roots and change it to a slightly bigger (?) terracotta pot. Currently:




  • 5 years ago

    Nothing wrong with repotting right now.

    annieplantsny thanked Ken B Zone 7
  • 5 years ago

    I was going to drop in and say the same thing. I would go ahead and repot. As for the DE, I often leave a thick white coating and it just filters through the soil at watering and ends up in the humidity tray. It looks rather awful, but that's all. Also remember, though the trees will still respond to the light of the seasons, strictly indoors has slightly different seasons than in/out or outdoors. For an indoor tree, I've found that repotting anytime isn't an issue. (Unless you repot outside and it's snowing or 110 degrees) :).

    annieplantsny thanked bonsai_citrus_and_indoor_gardening
  • 5 years ago

    Good evening, I was gone for a day and a half and came back to this in my Calamondin...




    Google is not showing me similar looking mushrooms. I dont think I did anything wrong, did I? They look sinister, LOL. Hazmat suit to dispose of them? Or cook them?


    Thanks Ken and Bonsai, I repotted the Meyer Lemon and feel much better about it now. Really appreciate both of your input. And agreed about the DE, I like that it’s safe for me and the pets, I just wish it didn’t lose its effectiveness when wet.

  • 5 years ago

    No, the mushrooms aren't sinister. My best guess is that there were spores on whatever bark you used and they grew. I think often people see any kind of fungus and panic, the good part is that they're not competing with your trees, they're just feeding on the decaying wood. I'd personally remove them, as I don't like growing mushrooms in my plant pots, but it shouldn't be a problem. You said your windows face North? I've noticed that mushrooms grow very well in low or indirect light areas, so the base of the tree is likely dark enough they can grow. I'd see if I could make it a bit brighter. (And bonus, if they grow that easy get a mushroom kit and toss it on a shelf. You'll get at least two crops of delicious mushrooms). I use an innoculated organic soil and fertilizer for my plants, occasionally I'll get mycelium in the late winter/early spring. I usually just break it up and it goes away.


    As for the DE, I too wish that it would last longer. But at least with the crawlers it only needs about 14 days to work.

    annieplantsny thanked bonsai_citrus_and_indoor_gardening
  • 5 years ago

    Thanks so much, I had heard of mushrooms sometimes growing in overly rich soil before but wasn’t expecting THAT in the brief time I was away.


    It makes sense, I had left the grow light off because I’m not comfortable leaving it on when I’m going to be away more than a few hours and combined with the cloudy day and the central air being off...


    I tried to search on Google first but almost all the photos were of yellowish mushrooms so naturally I assumed the worst. Yes, I will definitely be removing those suckers. My succulents are so boring by comparison! :)