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Climbing rose advice

5 years ago

I am planning to train two climbing roses around the windows and garages on the front facade. The siding is vinyl. I was wondering if it is a good idea to train on wires around the windows and garage top wall or on the roof. One variety I have is "New Dawn" and another is "Madame Alfred Carriere". Below are thr pictures of the front of my house. I already have the plants in ground - new dawn by the left side window and Madame by the left side wall of the garage. Appreciate the advice from the experts here about roof vs walls and how to do each of those.



Comments (9)

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Have you thought about adding a small pergola above the garage doors? Like this:



    Westside 4200 sq ft Custom Home · More Info

    Sturdier than wires and will look beautiful when the vines grow in.


    Re: the front, I'd maybe add a arched version of the above attached to the arch of the entry.



  • 5 years ago

    Joeywyominhz4b - thank you!! I want my house to look stunning. I hope it turns out the way I envisioned it. I like the idea of deterring thieves 😀. I thought about the thorniness of both varieties. I think I will keep just a few canes - enough to cover the top of the windows and garages. I don't intend to let them grow much away from the walls/siding so they don't get in the way while walking by.. I live in NJ - z6b. I am hoping that they grow long enough to reach above the windows and garage door.

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you Sabrina Alfin Interiors. I am considering it if my budget allows. I was looking for cheaper alternatives also.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Stout, aluminum clothesline wires, attached vertically to appropriately sized stainless steel eyelet screws with long shanks, fastened through the vinyl siding only where there is a good structural piece of wood, preferably a stud, behind the screw, is what I recommend.

    You will have little or no maintenance with this kind of support once installed, and it is very unobtrusive and almost invisible once the climbers have established themselves. There's enough annual maintenance involved with climbers....so keep additional care to a minimum.

    Think long and hard about growing climbers over the garage doors because accessing them for spring pruning, dead heading, and possibly spraying could require an A Frame step ladder. Falling off the ladder is an eventuality no matter how careful you are. The shade factor provided by the overhang above the garage doors may cause poor growth, too.

    Amend your soil generously where the climbers will be planted since they will be planted close to your home where soil is often very poor. Since during the construction of your home back then as with any newly built home, waste construction material often is dumped by lazy contractors between the home's foundation and the gap between its foundation and exterior soil before soil is back filled into it....unless your house is on a slab.

    Choice of variety?

    New Dawn is a behemoth, blooms profusely in spring and usually very little for the rest of the summer. This is the habit of most older variety climbers.

    Madame Alfred Carriere may be a mildew and black spot nightmare for you. If you garden in black spot land, as I do, MAC will defoliate quite a bit if not sprayed faithfully.

    Give Quick Silver, a new climber from Kordes consideration. I'm smitten with it. Vigorous, black spot free foliage, continuous blooming, and the scent is good, not MAC quality, but still good.

    BTW. Go to HELP ME FIND ROSES, and see the abundant photos of Quick Silver there. It is drop dead beautiful in all stages of bloom from bud to fully open. Under the MEMBER RATINGS tab it is given some less than excellent ratings, which I cannot understand....nothing but excellent is deserved in all categories except scent, where a good makes sense to me. Quick Silver is an ADR winner....well deserved.

    Moses

    sailaa thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & warm/humid S z6
  • 5 years ago

    Moses,


    Thank you so very much for the information. It is very useful for me. My MAC is struggling as of now because it was planted elsewhere where it wasn't getting much sun. I replanted it next to my garage. But I will give Quick Silver a try if MAC doesn't survive the winter. I wasn't aware of New Dawn being a scarce rebloomer. I may replace it at some point if that is the case. Is training up the roof a good idea in general for any climbing rose? That will solve the shade problem over the garage door.

  • 5 years ago

    In order to rebloom well, New Dawn has to be deadheaded. Deadheading a large, thorny, wayward climber is not fun.

    For a bit of perspective, I built a trellis that I thought was sturdy enough to support New Dawn. It collapsed when a bear tried to climb it.

    sailaa thanked mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Yes, like @mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY) said, if you want New Dawn to rebloom, it must be deadheaded. In fact, I prune mine primarily in late spring or early summer. In early spring I only do deadheading and cut off the stems where I don’t want them to go, which is much easier and takes less time. I prune my New Dawn severely after the large spring flush. Since it is very vigorous (maybe too vigorous XD), very soon it will start sending out long stems and doing its second flush show in the fall. By doing so, maybe I sacrifice some scattered flowers in summer, but I am very satisfied with the overall performance.

    Of course my climate in PNW Z8 is very different from yours. Just put in my two cents here.

    sailaa thanked Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a)
  • 5 years ago

    I am learning so much about the climbers that I have chosen as a newbie. Thank you all for sharing your experiences 🙏