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Garden Greens for Oklahoma

DISCUSSION OF GREENS
just copied the seed list from my spreadsheet and added comments.
COOL SEASON
arugula, Astro - I like Astro, it's not bitter
Celtus, Green Mountain: not yet grown
Celtuce, Balady Aswan: started late, ate leaves like lettuce but never tried the stem.
Chijimisai: not yet grown supposed to be a cross between tatsoi and komatsuna
Claytonia: never gotten a good stand.
Chicory, Early Treviso: I probably tasted the leaves of Chicory, but never did anything with it. They made pretty flowers.
Chicory, Palla Rossa
Chicory, Pan di Zucchero Chicory
Cress, Garden: haven't grown this one
Cress, Wrinkled Crinkled Crumpled: OK addition to a salad
Cress, Upland "Belle Isle": not yet
Flowering brassica, Kosaitai: kind of like broccoli
Flowering brassica, Yu Choy Sum: kind of like broccoli
Huauzontle, Red: not yet grown, similar to lambs quarters but only flower buds are eaten
Kailaan Open Pollinated: Chinese kale (or broccoli) it wasn't memorable
Komatsuna: love this, grows longer into heat than spinach. Cook like spinach or other greens.
komatsuna, Summer fest hybrid: haven't grown yet
Mache, big seeded
Mache, Dutch Vit
Mache, Gala
Mache, Granon
Mache, Large-Leaf Round
Mache, Macholong: this is the only one I've had good luck with so far and it was selected for heat tolerance.
Mache, Green Full Heart Corn Salad
Mache, Medalian
minutina: a weird one, narrow leaves, crunchy
misome (F1): a Hybrid of Komatsuna and Tatsoi, mild flavor, good for Asian greens recipes
Misome Choho, Hybrid
mizuna: a Mustard Green, but without the strong Mustard flavor. Stood up to the heat well.
Mizuna, Beni Houshi
Mustard, Pink Lettucy gene pool: still too Mustardy for me, but pretty, I've planned to grow Mustard in the front for decoration.
Orach, Aurora: like lambs quarters. Pretty colors, eat young leaves raw, cook leaves like spinach.
Orach, Red
Orach, Ruby Gold
Orach, Triple Purple
Pac Choi, fun jen (f1): too Mustardy for me
Pac Choi, Purple Magic: beautiful plant
Pac Choi, Red Violet Hybrid: beautiful plant
salad burnet: stayed green all winter. Chop up like parsley
Salt wort: not grown yet
Senposai F1: a Hybrid of cabbage and komatsuna, like misome very good
Shuka, Hybrid - Autumn Torch (flowering cabbage): not yet grown
Sorrel: lemony, bolts in heat
sorrel, red veined
spigarello lisca broccoli: this laughed at Oklahoma summer and bugs. Never saw buds. Broccoli leaves are good cooked like collards.
Spigariello Riccio: wild spigarello lisca
Tatsoi, Red: pretty plants I don't remember flavor, had to fight the chickens for it
tatsoi, Rosette
Tokyo Bekana (Chinese Cabbage): not traditional Chinese Cabbage, more like pac choi and Mustardy tasting, fed to chickens
Tyfon: spinachlike
Yokatta-Na F1: Asian green somewhere in between bok choy and swiss chard and can be used to replace either kind of green in a recipe. I like this.
Add collards, kale, cabbage and spinach to cool season.
WARM SEASON
Purslane: This is domesticated Purslane with bigger leaves and more upright than the wild version. I like it in summer salads. It is succulent but not as juicy as Malabar Spinach. It reseeds, like in the same season 10 feet away and some bug really likes it.
Purslane, Goldberger
Purslane, Golden
Purslane, Organic Tall
Jewels of Opar: this is sold for flowers, but the leaves are edible even when it blooms. Also succulent, but maybe not as much as Purslane.
Malabar Spinach: vine, slow growing for me, reseeded one time, not my favorite raw, TOO succulent/juicy. Probably OK cooked
Manihot, hibiscus: not yet grown. Hibiscus flower, edible leaves.
Melokhiya: very nutritious, relative of okra. The leaves are tough raw and cooked they're slimey, like boiled okra. I would add to soup. It's a popular middle Eastern vegetable. Dried you can make a tea.
New Zealand Spinach: not yet grown.
Red Calaloo (amaranth): Calaloo is a Caribbean dish that uses amaranth leaves. Amaranth is pretty and I keep hoping I will find a variety with leaves I like.
Other greens are collards, kale, cabbage, spinach. Collards are easy, have to watch for caterpillars, as with kale. Spinach bolts about mid may. I decided bloomsdale long standing was best for me. I had bad luck with cabbage until I tried mini cabbages like Gonzales and Pixie. Little heads are better for us anyway. You can eat the leaves of most vegetables. Pea sprouts, sweet potato sprouts are well known, but you can eat bean leaves, even tomatoes, which were once thought to be poison.
CHARD
Argentata Chard
Bali Red Rhubarb chard
Barese: dwarf variety
Bionda Di Lyon Swiss Chard
Erbette Chard: Italian heirloom
Perpetual Spinach: stands up to heat
Prima Rosa Swiss Chard: red
Rainbow - 5 Color Silver Beet
Ruby Red
Sea Foam Swiss Chard: supposed to taste best
Umaina Japanese Swiss Chard
Verde De Taglio Swiss Chard: I think this is the one that survived last Feb's freeze
White Ribbed: first one I grew, got huge, lived all summer
COLLARDS
Alabama Blue Collards: Color and holds sweetness in heat.
Cascade Glaze: selected from green Glaze, shorter plants
Even' Star Land Race: winter hardy
Georgia Cabbage Collards: sweet and nutty flavor?
Georgia collards: we've grown these, Nancy liked
Green Glaze Collards: heat and frost tolerant, slow bolting
Morris Heading: doesn't get too big
Top Bunch F1: this was supposed to be cold and heat tolerant and early. It didn't impress me
Variegated Collards: because I'm a sucker for Variegated anything
Vates: I bought these for heat tolerance
Yellow cabbage collards: I love these. "Milder and more tender than most collards"
KALE
Baltisk Rod Purpurkal Kale: I'm looking for a Purple Kale to replace the Arkansas purple landrace I can't get any more.
Black Magic: I like these
Blue Curled Scotch: compact
Breedy's Camden: winter hardy
Casper: ornamental and good tasting
Curly Kale: was a Bonnie transplant, grew well
Curly Roja Kale
Dazzling Blue Kale: this is pretty
Dutch Darkibor
Hanover Salad: for early spring
Homesteaders Perennial Kaleidoscopic Kale Grex: Perennial
kale coalition: Nancy gave me this it's a mix of varieties
Lacinato: good
Lacinato Rainbow Mix
Lark's Tongue: long narrow leaves, winter hardy
Nash's Green Kale: winter
Nero Di Toscana Cabbage
Olympic Red
Ornamental Fringed Mix Kale
Pentland Brig Kale
Premier
Prism F1: for containers
Red Kale(saved seed)
Red Russian
Red Ursa Kale
Scarlet Kale
Siber Frill Kale
Starbor Kale F1: compact
Tronchuda: best heat tolerance
Vates Blue Curled: compact
Willem's Blauwe Groninger Kale: blue
Winterbor
White Russian OG Kale

Comments (14)

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    For kale : I do Dwarf Siberian and Red Russian and "Curly Kale". Occasionally I do Winterbor especially for over the winter ( when the seed is not too expensive).

    Collards : Georgia collards is an old standby , also do Vates , Champion , Morris Heading and " Ol Timey Blues". I've done a lot of stir fries with these over the winter.

    Mustard: Southern Giant Curled does good for the spring and also for fall into overwintering since it's about as cold hardy as collards and kale. There's a "mustard spinach" I do every spring called "Tendergreen" but it tends to bolt pretty quick as the temps warm up.

    Spinach: Bloomsdale is my ol reliable for both spring and fall plantings. It tends to overwinter pretty well too especially if in a hoop tunnel. " Space" is another one I do for overwintering. I also do " Noble Giant" and used to do "Tyee" but haven't seen the seed around these days. Any more I do better with overwintered spinach than I do with spring plantings. A sign of the times I guess.

    Swiss Chard ; I used to do "Bright Lights" and " Lucullus" but now I go with " Forkhorn Giant" especially for overwintering in a hoop tunnel. Last winter I had it grow 4 foot tall over the winter into the spring in a hoop tunnel , had to cut it down with an axe to make way for spring planting.

    Beets can make a good green too especially for overwintering into the spring in a hoop tunnel if you can get it established in the fall while it's still hot and dry (and keep the bugs off of it) . "Detroit Red" is the one I usually do.

    Turnips make a good green especiallly in the fall. The ol standby for me has been "Purple Top" till it gets too tough going into winter but last year I grew " Shogoin" which makes an excellent green top ,, very tall and makes a good white root too.

    Lettuce : In the spring I do " Salad Bowl" , "Simpson's Elite" , " , "Black Seeded Simpson" , "Seafresh".

    I also do the same for the fall going into overwintering in a hoop tunnel. And like the spinach , I do better with overwintered lettuce than I do spring planted lettuce.

    Rick

  • 4 years ago

    Amy, I have never seen such a list, a lot of that stuff I have never heard of. My list is much like Ricks list, but a little shorter.


    I do want to try some of the milder Asian greens.

  • 4 years ago

    Amy I will have to read on computer. The way h runs this all together makes my eyes 👀 googley

    AmyinOwasso/zone 6b thanked Kim Reiss
  • 4 years ago

    Rick, tendergreen is a komatsuna, one of the first I grew. I don't know if it's a variety name or an Americanized name for komatsuna, which is also sold as mustard spinach, I think. I didn't even get into lettuce, but I like black seeded Simpson and Simpson elite. I also reorder drunken woman. Chadwick's Rodan is my all time favorite if I can find it. Im a sucker for ordering red lettuce, I don't know why. Turnip greens are too strong for me and if I'm growing beets, I want a root.

    Larry, I tend to grow one or 2 plants of a variety a season so I can taste them. Asian greens, start with komatsuna (or tendergreen on the seed rack). I'm also partial to Misome and yokatta na. I originally got Misome from Pinetree seeds and yokatta na from Fedco. Kitazawa has Misome, but I've only found yokatta na at Fedco. They're both mild tasting and tender like spinach.

  • 4 years ago

    in answer to Amy's post:

    sorrel, red veined growing that... it overwintered fine for me, since 2020. I just pull some leaves, and snip them in to my nightly salad

    Purslane: the wild version came up for me, here, there... where ever... and I put it in my salads

    Malabar Spinach: grew it in 2021, but will never grow it again. Took forever to actually grow... then went wild, covered everything... and neither I nor my daughter liked it... both raw and cooked.

    New Zealand Spinach: my ex's aunt grew it. It reseeded itself nicely, she never had to plant it again. I liked it both raw in a salad, and cooked. But, when I tried to grow it last year it never came up. However, two little plants were spotted in the fall, and I transplanted them in to my cold frames, and one is still tiny... but alive. ;)

    Chard: Lukullus... LOVE it. So prolific! It just grew and grew and grew, no matter how often I harvested to eat myself, as well as give away. It is finally dead now, with this and the last big frost. AWESOME plant, will get planted again!

    beets: I just LOVE pickled beets, as well as beets in stir fries, beet greens in salads... just BEETS. I had all kinds of varieties, even mixed seed packets (free seeds, what's not to love) and I will always grow some. I don't even discriminate against yellow beets.

    salad: I grew several salad greens, even mesclum mix. Again, very prolific, but it did die out when it got and stayed HOT. I have some in cold frames now... but today it's triple covered as last weeks cold spell froze some of it. I also love the red varieties, but don't have any growing at the moment.

  • 4 years ago

    Thanks so much for sharing, friends. I'm just now working on my seed inventory but SURE don't have what you all have. So I'll be getting ideas from you all.

  • 4 years ago

    Amy , there's another mustard spinach that I used to do but haven't in a while called "Savanna Hybrid" https://www.gurneys.com/product/mustard_savanna_hybrid?p=0515548&gclid=CjwKCAiA5t-OBhByEiwAhR-hm3dA2QpUfeCg_i4EZMfV06In_qGTPivsdx5AbzxupAm0cHesxPu9LRoCCowQAvD_BwE


    might give it another try.


    Rick


  • 4 years ago

    Another green that's free for the taking is "Poke"

    https://www.wildabundance.net/blog/pokeweed/

    along with lambs quarter and dock.


    my Mom would anxiously await for the poke to start coming up in old brushpiles , road ditches and places in early Mar/Apr and can it. I finally learned a few years later after she died that you don't can it in the same water you boil it down with. It's too strong. When boiling it down you drain the water and boil some fresh water separately to fill the jars with. She would either can it separately or mix some lambs quarter and dock with it. My Dad would always say " Cook it with bacon grease".


    Rick


  • 4 years ago

    All the "spinach mustard" crosses grow like gangbusters. Crosses tend to be more vigorous, though ordinary komatsuna is stabilized I think. I have Hybrid seeds to try this year.

    I'm afraid of poke, but I've eaten lambs quarters, with mixed results. Dawn and I discussed it once. The taste seems to vary depending on the soil it's grown in. Orach is basically pretty lambs quarters. I have also put chick weed in a salad. I could eat henbit and dead nettle if I had to, but not by choice. I purchased Purslane and plantain because I don't trust myself identifying some things. The minutina mentioned above is a plantain.

    Moni, I ordered some of the chard you like. I did a SESE order so I could get the yellow cabbage collards before they sold out. I must save seeds from those because they haven't been available the last 2 years.

  • 4 years ago

    You all are such good sales reps. I am thinking I need Shogoin turnips, Simpson's Elite, Komatsuna, Chadwicks Roden, Mizuna mustard, red-veined sorrel, purslane, New Zeland spinach, Lukullus chard, Spigarello lisca broccoli, yellow cabbage collards, Vates and Tronchuda. . . and some more kale. These threads are so dangerous. . .

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    "Poke" is strictly a "boiling green'. It's only poisonous when ate raw so don't use it for raw salad. Also the berries are poisonous too, but by then it's too mature to eat any way. Only good when it's small shoots up to a few feet tall and just use the tops. Bacon grease is suppose to neutralize any toxins but I've ate it without and had no ill effects But change the water and boil again. As far as ill effects it mainly just gives you "the runs".

    I grew up eating poke . Not a problem for me.


    https://www.eater.com/video/2017/6/15/15811472/poke-poisonous-greens

    Rick

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I know about poke, had a friend who put it in a salad. Nearly killed her. I also read one berry a day for arthritis. Supposedly frying rattlesnake and using the oil to rub on joints is good for arthritis, too. These were supposed to be native American remedies. But can you believe anything you read on the internet? Poke seemed like too much work for me and my husband would forget what to do. Chadwick's Rodan: I originally got from Baker Creek. They don't have it now (or last I looked) I found it at Wild Garden Seed. I suppose I should look that and isolate some for seed saving.

  • 4 years ago

    I use to eat poke a lot also, and liked it, I have even eaten fried poke stalk. I did not get hooked on the fried poke stalk, i was told to fix it like fried okra, but I liked fried okra much better. I would like poke much better if Madge liked cooking it. I have never eaten a cooked green that did not need some kind of seasoning, and Madge wont use bacon grease, which is a handicap for me, because I grew up eating bacon grease like butter.