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How to evaluate architect's invoice

4 years ago
last modified: 4 years ago

Need advice. We recently purchased an older home & have been working with an architect to draw up plans for a remodel, mostly of the 3rd floor with a few changes to the basement apartment. We went with this guy mostly because we wanted to get it done quickly and he was available. Some firms in our area were booking out into 2023!
In this latest billing cycle, we got back info from a height survey saying that we could take the roof up a few feet, so we started in earnest on the 3rd floor plans.
I spent MANY hours doing my own sketches to figure out what we wanted and whether it could, in theory, fit in the available space. We sent him our top 4 with a detailed email explaining our thoughts, questions and needs.
He returned questions about our thinking that made me scratch my head, and finally figure out that he hadn't read the accompanying email (he "missed" it in the thread that included sketches sent by my husband and comments sent by me). I clued him in.
Just got the bill and several things seem a bit odd. There is no increment less than 0.5 hours on any day. Am I to believe it took 30 min to forward us the answer from the surveyors and run a quick height calculation? There's an entry for 2 days after we received the upstairs sketch from him (which, btw, departed strongly from our suggestions), for 11.5 hours. In one day? I mean I suppose it's humanly possible. I have to admit I don't understand how could it take someone with all the tools and experience so much longer to produce a design than it took me with my ruler and graph paper--givrn that we'd already established so many of the parameters and ideas. These are just basic design ideas, mind you, not detailed construction plans.
I don't want to be the cheap, difficult client who doesn't understand what goes into a quality design. But I am just seeing red flags everywhere. Am I wrong to expect a more detailed breakdown on the bill? It all just says "design services" and a # of hours and a date (and those don't always correspond accurately to the days we've had communications from him.) Everything in round hours or half-hours. Paying him to ask questions I've already answered. And he's working independently, so how do I have any way of verifying whether he actually spends that many hours? And then he doesn't really listen very well--or ask important questions about our lifestyle--so we end up going back and forth with arguments over what we can do or designs we have to keep revising because they don't work for us.
Should I be asking pointed questions about the bill or is that just rude?
I'm really wondering if I should just ignore my sunk costs and start over with someone else. But it will certainly be a great deal of effort and put the whole thing behind schedule.
This is only the second time I've worked with an architect, the first was a friend of my in-laws and it was just for a kitchen remodel. I was annoyed with him too because he wouldn't listen or take my ideas seriously (but...maybe it's just me? Maybe most clients don't get so involved in their design decisions?) But that was a MUCH smaller project so it felt more tolerable.

Comments (8)

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    "I'm really wondering if I should just ignore my sunk costs and start over with someone else."


    Yep.

  • 4 years ago

    How did your contract state his billing was going to be? Did you ask him beforehand how he billed? Have you asked him your question about explaining his invoice? He works for you and you have the right to ask questions but many of these should have been answered before the work started. If he is a true licensed architect he may not want your "sketches". Maybe if you gave him your inspiration pictures, a list of wants and needs, and your budget and let him do his work rather than you sketching out things and then expecting him to follow them. You are hiring him, let him do his job.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Now you know why this archy was available and all the others weren't.

  • PRO
    4 years ago

    Professional services are typically billed by the hour as your architect is doing. Unfortunately, that rewards low productivity, which appears to be your concern. You should share that concern with your architect. It might be best to wrap up the initial design work and hand off the project to someone else.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    It is standard in professional services to bill in incremental hours. The attorney who handles all my real estate stuff bills 20 minutes to leave a 2 minute voice-mail or send an email. The idea being that a diligent professional will spend time preparing for a simple phone call or writing an email. Having said that, he will also adjust the bill down when he feels the incremental hours don't match the actual work/progress on my case.

    It is also entirely possible that he worked 11.5 hours on a project in one day. A lot of professional services, especially those who can work at home, chunk out their time like that. I often work 15 hours straight on a project and while that seems like a lot, I generally take 3 or 4 days off each week.

    Having said both of those things, you are hung up on the wrong things. The time tracking couldn't matter any less. Are you getting good results and is the price reasonable for those results? Could you get better results in a time frame that works for you cheaper from someone else. Thos are really the only questions that matter.

    If you want to have a billing discussion with your architect that is how you should do it. Don't ask if they really spent X hours doing it, just ask if they feel these results fairly represent X hours of their work.

    HU-596353769 thanked bry911
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Thank you, all.


    bry911, that's a helpful way to frame it. The lack of overall results when we are now $5K in (counting this invoice) is probably the root of my frustration.


    ksc36, that is very interesting; I'd always heard the other way around (get drawings, then get bids). This guy also works for a design-build firm, but we weren't sure at the outset about committing to them buidling it, so he has been working for us under his indepedent practice.


    Joseph--exactly what I've been starting to think. Hmm.



  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    As for the sketches, I see this kind of complaint often from the architect's side, but I don't really understand it. Doesn't the professional want to know as much as possible about the client's needs, hopes, lifestyle, etc before spending their time and the client's money making plans? This is an existing home with its own feel, we have pretty specific ideas about how we want to use the space, and I'm not looking for cookie-cutter suburban new-home type designs. I thought custom design meant...you know, customized?

    Every sketch we offered had the master bath and closet next to one another. Yes, I guess I forgot to list that *verbally* as a necessity. But he didn't ask me about it--just went ahead and did $1000+ of work on a plan that puts them on opposite sides of the room.


    I sent a huge Pinterest board of style ideas at the very outset. I don't think he even looked at it.