Wonderful!! And the canes look nice and thick.

@rosecanadian, I hate to say this, but I want to make sure @kitchencuttingboard got a good plant for their money, but do not the two front canes look kind of dead, with holes from cane-borers or rain damage? The one in the back, sort of dying, turning yellow, and the one in the front sort of dried, and dying, like it was badly pruned and also not kept moist enough.... Maybe I am wrong so if I bigger expert wants to chime in? Maybe it's got so much dirt on it that it looks dried out? Anyway, just to see because there is a warranty, then... And it's still available at DA US right now (am going to buy one for a b-day gift for someone). Anyway, am hoping for the best for you in any case!

Wayside Gardens is still selling Evelyn, too, and they're promoting her with the awful E photo courtesy of Austin. If people are tuned off by that photo, Wayside should have Evelyn available for quite a while. Austin probably didn't want Wayside for competition so shared the awful photo. They are nefarious--ha. Diane

Another non pink Austin retired ages ago. They could use the color of The Prince among the bland pinks.

@roseparis the actual plant looks better than my photo. Budding out. To me it looks healthy.

@kitchencuttingboard, am hoping for the best for you! @Diane Brakefield, beautiful pics! Love The Prince, especially the fragrance! There are too many pinks--and yellows!! In most parts of the world, they have even cancelled Benjamin Britten with its cherry candy perfume.

Rose Paris - I thought that was all dirt. Now that you mention it...I see the hole at the top of the cane. But that can just be cut off to see what's what. :)

Oh, Diane - SWOOON!!!!!! Yes, that would be lovely in their catalogues next to all the pinks. What a stunner!!!!

Kitchen - that's good to hear. Did you cut off that hole at the top of the cane?

@kitchencuttingboard to follow-up on what @rosecanadian said, when you cut into a stem like that, it should be whitish and seem wettish/alive inside. if it is brown and hard, the stems are dead... And please forgive me if you know this but I thought I would share in case, and for everyone else, because I didn't know at first until I bought a few clunkers with actually only living stem that never took off. And you can totally get your money back or replacement from most places if you take pic right a way. Especially if they guarantee they are selling a certain grade or level of quality standard (that it should have X amount of stems that are X size based on the grade or level). The Rose Geek has tutorials on all of this, if helplful.

That appears to be planted very close to an older rose, am I correct?

For the life of me, I can't a hole in the cane, on the plant itself. I a couple more photos on that linked imgur link. The "older rose" is just some green manure stuff in last d

Bliss Parfuma from Kordes, although not as fragrant as Evelyn, nor possessing the full charm Evelyn has, does not grow the octopus arms Evelyn can grow. In black spot country, Evelyn black spots, needing organic or conventional spraying to maintain healthy foliage. Bliss Parfuma has never grown octopus arms for me, and it is cast iron black spot proof here in Pittsburgh, PA. The blooms of Bliss P. have strong necks, while Evelyn nods.

Evelyn is scarce and Bliss Parfuma is readily available. Evelyn can get pretty big, 5+', while Bliss P. stays pretty restrained at about 40".

Just saying....

Moses.

Where you grow roses, in the NE, Moses, you may have lots of black spot problems. But there are huge areas in the arid West where fungal diseases are mild or don't occur at all. In those areas, Evelyn is a gorgeous addition to the garden, and I grow four of them with no problems (except for tree shade in one area). My Evelyn blooms do not nod. As for long canes, Evelyn is hardly the worst in my garden for that. Long canes don't bother me anyway. Diane

For those who cannot grow Evelyn successfully, Bliss Parfuma can make a successful alternative.

Moses

Sorry, but I think we need some clarification on the pic in the original link that @kitchencuttingboard posted. On the right, there is a rose that looks like a newly planted own-root rose, which would be typical for what HCR sends. On the left is a gnarly looking big rose that looks partially uprooted. I'm assuming that that one is the one @Rose Paris is referring to, since it has dead canes and evidence of cane borer damage. Kitchen, can you clarify? Your last post was incomprehensible :-D

Y'all are looking at the decoy just like my cats! Here they are destroying the decoy "rose" https://i.imgur.com/WsNbE3Y.jpeg

Chomp chomp

Actual rose is safe from cat predators so far. Empty rose box, however, was stolen by porch pirates. I guess that's decoy number 2

The links don't work for me. I get error messages. I feel left out of the fun! Wow! You have porch pirates!

https://i.imgur.com/WsNbE3Y.jpeg

Okay, @kitchencuttingboard, it's clearer, and see better the two distinct plants... The rose in the front seems okay--an own root, no? My own root Evelyn is doing better than two of my grafted... The rose in the back, looks in bad shape, so must be kaput? Interesting that your cats attack roses. Could it be your fertilizer or compost? I once had a puppy who would try to chew on rose canes--very alarming as we didn't want thorns to harm her little baby mouth, heck with the roses in that case... But thankfully she has grown out of it. But as a very large dog, with a very thick coat, if she sees something interesting, she just jumps over the garden fence and tramples right over them. And sometimes our other dog digs up plants or eats fragrant flowers (DA flowers, loves a munch,)... Sigh... But at least they keep other pests at bay! Oh, and as an FYI, be wary of using blood or ground hoof/bone fertilizer, with pets or where there are wild animals... Totally attracts them to dig and "investigate"! So there were holes and digging even where the dogs weren't able to go!!!! (I imagine this could happen if you use kitchen leftovers as compost as well!)

nah, my cats are just jealous/ curious anything that they see occupying my time. They're not like my other cats; they will not do as they're told unless they want to.

It's not a rose. Upside down euphorbia stems -

If someone is still looking for Evelyn, check your local garden centers. My local and favorite one has Evelyn on their list.

does anyone have tips for growing Evelyn as a climber vs shrub? Which is preferred and why?

I don't think the main canes grow long enough to make a climber out of this rose. I grow this rose and it's probably meant to be a large 5ft ish shrub. If you want an English garden rose in this colour palette, I'd recommend you grow Bathsheba.

I saw this and wanted to replicate… i suppose it’s not considered a true cliber but could be supported and trained on a trellis

Dallas Register, I grow four Evelyns, three for nearly 21 years. They do not need support. You could grow one that looks like the above photo without any support, or you could have a trellis for looks. She grows beautifully as a large shrub, too. I don't consider Evelyn a true climber, but in late August, early September, my biggest E does shoot up some really tall candelabra canes that you could try making into a sort of climber for the following spring. Experiment a little. Diane

Here are some of my Evelyns all from 2024, all self supporting. You could give her a climber look with a trellis.

The trellis behind E doesn't support her. It is to deter deer.

Dallas, I should have read your first post. I use all kinds of companions around Evelyn. The second and last photo show the easy care rose, Apricot Drift around E. It has a long bloom and rebloom time. Below I use Orlaya grandiflora grown from seed, just direct seeded onto the ground. I also use Snapdragons and alyssum. This year, I'll also have some direct seeded pink peony poppies. I grow my Evelyns in honor of my granddaughter, Clare Evelyn. Evelyn is a beautiful name, as was your daughter. Best wishes on a good outcome with Evelyn. Diane

If you have good soil drainage, lavender works well with roses. Some of this lavender grows directly behind Evelyn.

Dallas, my Evelyn can be a good climber. Here is mine from last year.

Diane, would you mind terribly to copy this info over to my post? i dont want to lose it on this thread with 700+ comments as time goes on ! if you dont mind i can also copy it for you but want you to get credit for your beautiful photos. you undoubtedly have a green thumb!! Thank you for your kind words and sharing these photos… i feel like i can only dream my garden will resemble the grace yours bestows!

Lisa, yours is fabulous too. I love Diane's too.

I have to say that in my climate, which is rather dank and humid, but almost never freezes, and is apparently US equivalent 7B/8A, my Evelyns don't get that tall, but they definitely don't need staking like some other roseses, they just sort of shoot up... Good luck with yours! ,One rose that surprised me by climbing when put next to a shrub was Jude the Obscure, it's almost like a clematis moving up and through, who knew?

Dallas Register, feel free to copy whatever you want for reference. Thank you about my garden. When I was thinking of companions and fillers around Evelyn, I realized that Orlaya is primarily for spring. Then other plants kind of take over and fill in gaps. If you don't want this, just use alyssum, which isn't as tall as orlaya, but repeat blooms when sheared back. There are one or two new alyssum that are extra large, but you'll have to buy the plants, rather than direct seeding. I can't think of the names just now, but maybe someone who grows this particular allysum can tell us. I think it was Princess something. I use a lot of other plants as fillers and companions--just ask. I didn't want to overload you with information. Diane

@Rose Paris

I think read online, maybe from Paul Barden, that Evelyn does really well in dry heat. I think he? might have been talking about California as opposed to Oregon - the state where both he, and also I, live. I hope it's warm enough for Evelyn here in PDX to be a climber. I've already got the foundation for the trellis installed.

As for Jude the Obscure, it was either Paul Barden or Rogue Valley roses description or both where I read Jude can be trained as a climber - oh that sounds like Rogue description.

Oh you’re not overloading me with info. The more the better which I greatly appreciate!

Diane, what fertilizers do you use? I have read E is a heavy feeder, is this true?

Kirchencutting board, All my Austin roses like dry heat. We have very hot, dry summers. I've grown Jude the Obscure, for 21 years, and I wouldn't try to use that rose as a climber. He's quite upright and very large. I don't find his canes to be flexible like a good climber's canes.

Dallas Register, all my Austins get the same regimen of compost and fertilizer. I don't find Evelyn needs any more than the others. They all get the same amount of watering on our drip system. This is a semi arid desert, and we have to irrigate regularly using a drip system for the flower beds. At the risk of boring those who have read this one too many times, here is what I use for fertilizing all my roses: in November, I use a wonderful compost called NuLife Organic Compost around all the roses and some other plants. You probably won't find this product down your way, but maybe there is a substitute. It has some chicken manure in it and mycorrhizae in it and wood fines. I think it's very beneficial to my roses. It's applied once a year in November. In late February, I give the roses Plant Tone or Holly Tone. Don't spend extra on Rose Tone. They are all nearly equivalent. I buy 36-50 pound bags on Amazon. I look for lowest prices and free shipping. In late March, I give the roses Lilly Miller Organic Granular Fertilizer for acid loving plants. We have alkaline soil, and I think this this product works well for this. That's it for the year, unless you want to spray on some Miracle Grow later in the season. We are in zone 7 here. You are probably zone 9, so you can vary the dates some on those fertilizers. I like to give the fertilizers time to break down in the soil, so I apply fert early. Diane

Jude the Obscure is very upright and I don't think makes a good climber. The fence is 9 feet tall. Dallas, note that orlaya is growing around this rose like Evelyn, and there are pink snapdragons around the roses here.

@kitchencuttingboard My Evelyn definitely lives in damp for part of the year and I do get several flushes, but not like Diane's. However, mine are young (2 and 3), and one is own root and the other three are on laxa. So it does alright here, but so far, not tall and it would not climb. I don't know about Oregan's weather. In my current, climate, we have longer days, longer summers and longer growing seasons than in the Midwest, for example, where I grew up, which maybe compensates for the gloom? Like the overall amount of hours of decent weather and daylight? (U can start planting veggies here now already, for ex). If you want a peachy/pink climber that does well in maritime or damp European weather, and becomes a literal giant, might I recommend the Generous Gardener? (see pics below) It even still does well when we hit the few random weeks of a 100+ degrees that we have been getting ever year lately due to climate change. Mine got magnificently fragrant in year 3 as well. My Jude is not being trained as a climber--and am still too much of an amateur to attempt it-- but it is doing it... It could be just that, as @Diane Brakefield, it likes to be tall so the one is next to the shrubbery is "dominating it", and using it as a support to wend up and through, pushing out through the top and the sides. And those branches have to be more than 10ft high, and it's only a year old. The one that is standing alone is tall, and upright, and hit 6ft last year, but not quite as tall, so perhaps it could be trained. But I agree with @Diane Brakefield that the stems are definitely stiff, not floppy, like Summer Song's, for example, whose flowers broil in high heat, but would likely be a good climber in a milder climate or part-sun. Mine is trying to branch out and climb on the neighboring plants, especially my vine-like Golden Celebration, which is behind it, and which has also partially merged itself with the bordering shrubbery. (As an FYI on the new collections: Emily Bronte, whose fragance is awesome, also has flowers that broil in high heat. Both EB and Summer song have lovely healthy foliage, even in the current endless rain, and are tough, but am not sure they beat Evelyn or are "progress" necessarily for that reason, so am glad that in the US, at least, you get to keep her.....)

There have been discussions about Young Lycidas and Mill on the Floss on this thread. I just got an email from DA saying they will no longer be offering either of them in the EU--I don't know what this means for people elsewhere, but if you"ve been wanting to get your hands on either, you might want to check what happening in your area and, for EU people, see if any vendors still have some remaining stock.

Diane,

What groundcover roses do you have at Evelyn's feet? So beautiful!!

Those are Apricot Drift roses. There is also one at Jude's feet just above. I like these roses a lot. Diane

Oh, very beautiful! I have them too, two of them next to each other but they may not be getting enough sun. I wish mine could look like this. How many do you have there and how long have you had them?

I have about eight Apricot Drift roses which I got over a period of several years. I've grown them for a number of years. They grow in several parts of my garden.

My first bouquet from Evelyn!!! No filter on the photo. Such an honor to grow them in honor of my Evelyn Jane. She would have been 3 tomorrow May 11. ❤️❤️❤️

So beautiful!!!

If anyone is looking for it in the EU, they would seem to have for sale here: https://www.agel-rosen.de/rose/1669-aussaucer-kaufen/ (I cannot vouch for this vendor as I have not grown anything from them yet, but for info...)

Wayside Gardens may still have Evelyn. They ship and are a sister company to Jackson & Perkins, which doesn't carry E, for some reason. Here in Boise, Edwards Greenhouse has five gallon Evelyn plants grown by Austin, and reasonably priced. They don't ship, so make a trip to Boise, but check to see if she's still in stock. While you're at it, get some hot peppers in about any variety under the sun, every herb known to humans, and all kinds of veggies, including heirloom are rare types. Their perennials are wonderful as are the clematis.

Dallas Register, such huge and stunning Evelyn blooms, a lovely honor to your daughter. Diane

Diane,

Your apricots are spectacular. I wish my could look like this - probably not getting enough sun.

Thank you, Artist. Our sun has been on again, off again, and the Apricot Drifts are just barely starting to bloom in our short, intense growing season. Are your roses in part shade? Diane

Diane,

Basically they don't start receiving sun until about noon to 1. Then they receive a few good hours of strong afternoon sun, but I am not sure how many. Probably around 4-5. So I would say that qualifies for partial shade although the sun is strong when they do get it. Probably not ideal.

Speaking of, if anyone is growing Evelyn for the first time, I am finding that the sunnier the spot, the better, I actually have pulled two of mine out of the ground to stick them in pots on the upper part my terrace that covers the ventilation, which is essentially white-painted concrete that gets 5-6 hours of direct afternoon sun at this time of year (which pulled them back from the brink of being the one-stick wonders they became in the usually gray weather we had this past year due to the climate change). Many roses would broil or dry up in this spot, like Emily Bronte, whose flowers can singe in high heat. They both are peachy and smell great! But definitely sun, sun, sun for Evelyn, and cooler, exposure for Emily Bronte, which also takes a couple of years to really bloom like a fool. You wish the DA site had more advice on this. I almost chucked EB the first year because of poor blooming, and then she got moved to the NE, from the SW, and voilà! Must have 40 blooms in first flush this year.

I totally agree that Evelyn needs her sun. I have three E's being shaded out by trees. They are essentially once bloomers at this point unless I spend yet another fortune having those trees whipped into shape (I've done this four times and the worst of the trees are just hell strip plants the village owns). I could buy a forest of Evelyns with that money-ha. As far as fertilizer goes, my Evelyns get the same fertilizer as all my roses, and the same amount of water on the drip. Diane

My Evelyn gets to be about 6-7 feet tall and I grow her on the East side of my house on a trellis. If I didnt tie her up she would look pretty scraggly. Repeat is OK. Not the best, but not the worst either. Scent is fantastic. Jude gets to be about 4 feet and is more bushy in my Chicagoland climate. No way she could be a climber for me. Great scent but poor repeat.

Question: The Lady Gardener is in the same color scheme, and still offered worldwide, why does that one seem to be less popular Or perhaps it is more so, hence it's continued availability?