There have been discussions about Young Lycidas and Mill on the Floss on this thread. I just got an email from DA saying they will no longer be offering either of them in the EU--I don't know what this means for people elsewhere, but if you"ve been wanting to get your hands on either, you might want to check what happening in your area and, for EU people, see if any vendors still have some remaining stock.

Diane,

What groundcover roses do you have at Evelyn's feet? So beautiful!!

Those are Apricot Drift roses. There is also one at Jude's feet just above. I like these roses a lot. Diane

Oh, very beautiful! I have them too, two of them next to each other but they may not be getting enough sun. I wish mine could look like this. How many do you have there and how long have you had them?

I have about eight Apricot Drift roses which I got over a period of several years. I've grown them for a number of years. They grow in several parts of my garden.

My first bouquet from Evelyn!!! No filter on the photo. Such an honor to grow them in honor of my Evelyn Jane. She would have been 3 tomorrow May 11. ❤️❤️❤️

So beautiful!!!

If anyone is looking for it in the EU, they would seem to have for sale here: https://www.agel-rosen.de/rose/1669-aussaucer-kaufen/ (I cannot vouch for this vendor as I have not grown anything from them yet, but for info...)

Wayside Gardens may still have Evelyn. They ship and are a sister company to Jackson & Perkins, which doesn't carry E, for some reason. Here in Boise, Edwards Greenhouse has five gallon Evelyn plants grown by Austin, and reasonably priced. They don't ship, so make a trip to Boise, but check to see if she's still in stock. While you're at it, get some hot peppers in about any variety under the sun, every herb known to humans, and all kinds of veggies, including heirloom are rare types. Their perennials are wonderful as are the clematis.

Dallas Register, such huge and stunning Evelyn blooms, a lovely honor to your daughter. Diane

Diane,

Your apricots are spectacular. I wish my could look like this - probably not getting enough sun.

Thank you, Artist. Our sun has been on again, off again, and the Apricot Drifts are just barely starting to bloom in our short, intense growing season. Are your roses in part shade? Diane

Diane,

Basically they don't start receiving sun until about noon to 1. Then they receive a few good hours of strong afternoon sun, but I am not sure how many. Probably around 4-5. So I would say that qualifies for partial shade although the sun is strong when they do get it. Probably not ideal.

Speaking of, if anyone is growing Evelyn for the first time, I am finding that the sunnier the spot, the better, I actually have pulled two of mine out of the ground to stick them in pots on the upper part my terrace that covers the ventilation, which is essentially white-painted concrete that gets 5-6 hours of direct afternoon sun at this time of year (which pulled them back from the brink of being the one-stick wonders they became in the usually gray weather we had this past year due to the climate change). Many roses would broil or dry up in this spot, like Emily Bronte, whose flowers can singe in high heat. They both are peachy and smell great! But definitely sun, sun, sun for Evelyn, and cooler, exposure for Emily Bronte, which also takes a couple of years to really bloom like a fool. You wish the DA site had more advice on this. I almost chucked EB the first year because of poor blooming, and then she got moved to the NE, from the SW, and voilà! Must have 40 blooms in first flush this year.

I totally agree that Evelyn needs her sun. I have three E's being shaded out by trees. They are essentially once bloomers at this point unless I spend yet another fortune having those trees whipped into shape (I've done this four times and the worst of the trees are just hell strip plants the village owns). I could buy a forest of Evelyns with that money-ha. As far as fertilizer goes, my Evelyns get the same fertilizer as all my roses, and the same amount of water on the drip. Diane

My Evelyn gets to be about 6-7 feet tall and I grow her on the East side of my house on a trellis. If I didnt tie her up she would look pretty scraggly. Repeat is OK. Not the best, but not the worst either. Scent is fantastic. Jude gets to be about 4 feet and is more bushy in my Chicagoland climate. No way she could be a climber for me. Great scent but poor repeat.

Question: The Lady Gardener is in the same color scheme, and still offered worldwide, why does that one seem to be less popular Or perhaps it is more so, hence it's continued availability?

My Evelyns have put out their first few blooms. Now I just have to decide where I want to place them 🙃

I'm unsure if I want to plant them side by side or in two different locations.

Beautiful!!! I'd plant them in two different locations to connect the two areas. What did you decide?

Rose Paris,

The Lady Gardener is a poor man’s Evelyn (I have them both). Smaller bloom, less interesting form, less fragrant. Just like Wollerton Old Hall is a poor man’s Jude, smells like Mothballs instead of fresh tropical fruit. I can only conclude that DA would like us all to be poor men (and women! at least they don’t discriminate).

I haven't decided haha. Right now I have them sitting together in a spot that they could fill in and look like one big bush

I also have all four and while none are next to each other they are all in my ”peaches and cream” beds. And I like all of them pretty equally. Evelyn does have better blooms than TLG but she also requires more sun and heat-something I don’t always have a lot of. Jude beats out WOH on fragrance but WOH put on size quicker for me although he does get a bit more sun so there’s that

A reverence for roses has had it twice this year.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14), thanks for the explanation. I really don't understand what DA is doing at all--why keep TLG if Evelyn is better? (Still not back in the UK/EU). I have WOH and the one thing that's good about it is that it's begun to thrive in a bad spot (ferns grow next to it in dry soil under a shrub to give you an idea), so it is good for that. But compared to my Judes, it's not as exciting. It is more fragrant than many similar roses still on offer (a bit licorice/myrrh to my mind, but I can see how you could get mothballs, as it is rather strong and astringent), like Dannahue, which is a real clunker for me in every way, but I did get reimbursed, or R. Dahl, a healthy plant, but basically no fragrance (although finally an almost continuous bloomer in year 5) My Abes in year 3 are super amazing in terms of blooms and leaves (but it has been hot so they must like that), while my E. Vyes almost both bought it in the climate-change June heatwave and have given me almost no flowers. Are these new varieties really better and more adapted to the climate? BTW, DA told me they will no longer be selling, The Mill on the Floss in the EU, which I bought based on a recommendation here, and actually, it is really thriving, so... If you're in the EU, they are offering Evelyn for presale right now here: https://www.agel-rosen.de/en/rose/1669-buy-aussaucer/. I cannot vouch for their service, so up to you to try if you wish.

As people always say on this forum, "your mileage may vary." My Jude has not been a stand-out in terms of number and frequency of blooms, but WOH has given me about two spectacular displays a year. It is very strong myrrh, which is not my absolute favorite, but I don't get "mothballs." I don't grow TLG or Dannahue. My Roald Dahl is a happy little bloomer, though not very fragrant. My Eustacia Vye has been a constant bloomer (hard pressed to think of when she's been out of bloom altogether), very fragrant, healthy bush, and blooms don't fry when we get a little heat. So, I'm super duper impressed with EV. My Evelyn is new -- planted bare root from DA in Feb and got a decent flush. The bush is still small, and has been quiet since the spring flush. I assume it's growing roots. My other amazing rose is James L. Austin -- one of the healthiest roses in my garden, almost never out of bloom, gorgeous, stands up to heat and wind...but not very fragrant. JLA has larger flowers than Gabriel Oak, but of course GO is fragrant. If you're looking for a new rose in a peaches and cream area -- My Moonlight in Paris is another one that is almost never out of bloom, and really just makes me so happy I literally feel my heart gladdening when I look at her!

@DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA), I would be interested to know in what conditions you are growing E. Vye? Full sun/part shade? Any advice? Your name indicates CA, perhaps E. Vye is one that likes it warm? Like Spirit of Freedom, which is finally doing something amazing thanks to the fact it was high 90s-100 degrees in June (not normal). I have tried E. Vye thrice because it is so lovely but it does not seem to want to take off. I agree WOH does not get many flushes, but mine is in the worst spot, so hats off for surviving, and getting tall even! I like the astringent licorcice fragrance, a bit like the soap in a fancy hotel on holiday, but maybe not for everyone, as it does not smell "floral", but it does travel on the wind. As for Evelyn, I get about 3/4 flushes. She usually stops in August, whereas some, like Lady Emma or Munstead will go into fall, but this is temperate climate; like England, and it gets rainy. My Evelyns stayed small, too, but this summer, I took a couple out of the ground and put them in pots on a part of the upper patio that is normally a hot plate/a boiler, just full afternoon sun for hours, and they actually thrived in the 100 degrees, whereas others shut down, all sorts of new leader canes and blooms. A lot of Austins like it cool, but not that one! JLA is a scraggly one here, often defoliates, but does give regulary lovely blooms without fail. Moonlight in Paris looks like a beautiful rose! Thanks for the recommend! :)

Paris - my EV took FOREVER to take off, and I had moved her, thinking I might just give up. She is on the east side of my house, so gets mostly morning sun. We’ve had one week of 80s and maybe 2 days approaching 90. Mostly mid to high 70s this summer, so not super hot. Our heat (and winds) typically come on in August.

I’m glad to hear that Lady Emma will keep blooming - she is a perfect autumn rose color. I just got one in Feb, a very small specimen that I paid way too much money for & had to drive 4.5 hours to get! A bare root potted into a 3-gal container, & sold at a price usually reserved for more mature 5 gal plants. Anyway, she’s in a big pot growing roots. I will put her in the yard this fall. Will replace The Impressionist (who is only blooming once a year for me, so needs to get out of his starring role position).

@DDinSB (Z10b Coastal CA)... Yay for Lady Emma! Congrats! Would love to find an own root, as they supposedly last longer. One of mine that is grafted is from 2007, so here's hoping it keeps on, even if it has now surpassed the average grafted-rose lifespan. It has not put out a new leader in a long time, which is worrying... This is perhaps my favorite one, or at least, one I would never want to be with out! Totally worth the money and the drive (in my opinion).

My very first Evelyn Bloom ever. Planted last year. From High Country Roses. Looks more high centered, more a hybrid tea. Not sure why.

I do not think that is Evelyn.

Here is a bud on mine this morning.

Hmm.... i don't know, sometimes the first flower off a new plant is kind of curious, even the first flower of the season off an established plant, especially it is blooming early... With Evelyn, it's the fragrance that is really telling... How does it smell?? Here's one of mine from a couple of days ago and it did sort of start hybrid-tea-ish before the blooms opened wide...

That's not Evelyn.

Think you may have received easy spirit mistake.

I still think the key is to sniff to see whether if has stong, unique fragrance...and see if it opens to full flower...

@Dirt Digger Z6NHZ6NH: Mine is ggrowing a climbing rose; Easy Spirit is upright shrub

Hmmm I didn't realize that from the photo, it doesn't look like evelyn unfortunately.

Does the company you got it from have a warranty? You might want to send them a pic...

• Here's that same bloombloom, today. Smells distinct from all the other roses blooming over

That surely looks more like it. You must have scared her.

One of my Evelyn’s has a light colored bloom like the first pic today, and it can be weather dependent…

growgrows a climber (like a)

supposed to be abraham darby. looks like evelyn :/

• smells just like evelyn. hmhmhmmmm?

Abraham darby does also have a fruity smell and can be similar in color to Evelyn.... The difference (when it gets bigger) will be more color variation (A. Darby can have some deeper pinks in there, like its ancestor, Aloha) and the size. A. Darby flowers can get big, almost as big as Golden C.'s flowers, and it will be more of climber (at least my two get a lot bigger than Evelyn and have more canes that try to go in every direction). Both can at times ressemble quite a bit Princesse Charlene, and I wonder if that's a close cousin? I heard somewhere it was maybe an offspring of Charles Austin?

Sheila - beautiful bloom!! Oh, my. :)

Linda at Longagoroses has just listed an Evelyn on eBay. Starting bid is $50, and she can't ship to CA, OR, WA, CO, ID, NV, AZ, UT, NM, MT, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, HI, AK, or outside the contiguous US. Plants sent to TX, AR, LA, MS, and AL must have the roots treated with insecticide to prevent the spread of Japanese beetles.

EVELYN on eBay

For those of you who live where Linda can ship, her roses have a sterling rep with me. They are small-ish, but thrive as well as or better than roses from any other nursery that deals with own-root roses.