https://www.northlandrosarium.com/products/sweet-mademoisdelle-meinostair-2018

@modestgoddess z6 OH, I had it in an order with free shipping though. 😢

I can’t justify ordering it at this point. Maybe next year.

Thats easy... Candice! Another one from Ludwigs.🙄

Vapor, same here. I have looked and looked at Bayareagirls pictures of Candice!!

Oh my gosh, i feel the same about Candace.

Ascot, and Augusta Louise...several times, mostly due to Palatine's everything-all-at-once, crap-shoot, let's-make-sure-the-website-sucks philosophy. And after this year's debacle, they've lost my business forever. Anyway, I'm *hoping* to get Ascot this year, but I'm not saying from where! lol.

Purple Lodge Is beautiful, love the Dark purples but just out of curiosity what ard the grubs that were eating the roots?!

The rose I haven't managed to get isn’t really all that rare its just I haven’t wanted to pay a high price for a rose thats been out since 1991 but some day l’d like to get Polka.

Pomponella 😩😩😩 been trying dor 2y now and cant ever buy at palantine 😭 always sold out

@Seeingreen Polka is about $20 from High Country Roses, I got one last year.

Pompon veranda. I ordered it fr palatine the year they had trouble with their fields due to flooding if I am not remembering incorrectly. They contacted me and told me they couldn’t meet my order. I was hopeful I would be able to purchase it the following year but haven’t been able to.

I think Kordes decided it didn’t do well enough to keep selling it and removed it from the us market also so my hopes of ever getting it are low.

Yeah Lillyfinch I often think about the roses I left behind. Many of which had a story behind them. knowing the people who purchased my house let them all die hurts.

Ill check it out thanks Mischievous Magpie

My biggest regrets are the rare ones I gave away or lost over the years. ~15 years ago, I realized I had way too many roses at 375, so I made a concerted effort to cull the herd. I gave many away to friends, some duplicates of ones I had two of, some just didn't make the cut when I was being ruthless. Back then, Pickering and Vintage and Uncommon were still in business. Alas.

i believe FreedomGardens has Pomponella at the moment and will custom propagate Pompon Veranda.

Thank you Vapor! i am going to check on it.

update: pomponella available. unfortunatey pompon veranda is all spoken for and marked with an asterisk and they are not accenting further requests. ill def check again in the future

I saw that. However, I would put your name in in any case if you were I saw that. However, I would put your name in in any case if you were interested. Those listings come and go all the time so it's a constantly changing shifting scenery. Hi won't accept your money to propagate but you might be notified when the plant is large enough again to take cuttings from. It is best to get 3 at a time from a shipping standpoint. He has so many It is best to get 3 at a time from a shipping standpoint. He has so many outstanding roses. I hope to add at least 1 to those I did not pick up last year.

My biggest one that got away is one that I once grew, but wound up leaving in Atlanta. It was a purple gallica/hybrid gallica ( possibly centifolias?) I believe. From the pictures of other roses that I have seen since it most closely looked like A Reverence For Roses' The Bishop, and Fraser Valley Rose Farm's Robert le Diable.

I saw a plant of it once again in the Sacramento City Cemetery in 2017, and there was a picture of it in a brochure for a pioneer farmstead in Portland Oregon. But I never was able to truly get a name for it (I bought it as Cardinal de Richelieu, which it clearly wasn't) and have not been able to track another one down.

The plant, by the time I had to leave it had gotten to be about 14 ft tall by 12 ft wide and would become purple with flowers around mother's day; which worked out great because we would take flowers of it to church on mother's day and give them to whomever wanted them and however many they wanted and still brought back 50 flowers back.

@Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley i meant pompom veranda!! i will senf them a msg! i think is the last one i need for my collection!

Brandon, the rose you left behind you (sounds like a song, doesn't it?), I would guess is not 'Robert le Diable', which I have. Even allowing for differences in growing conditions, my Robert l. D. is a low growing, suckering plant that in my garden has never grown higher than about two feet. It's a distinctive rose, with finely striated deep purple blooms with a brownish tint to them that I've never seen in any other variety. It has the un-Gallica trait of being quite thorny, but definitely suggests considerable Gallica ancestry with its low stature and suckering nature. 'The Bishop' I consider a possibility: my plants have never gotten that big, but, different growing conditions, you know. Yours certainly sounds like it was a wonderful rose.

Great thread. I’m sending my rose lover empathy to you, Markay, and to everyone here! We have all been there…repeatedly.

A rose friend gave me a cutting of the rare old Soupert et Notting Moss rose ‘Violacee‘, but it didn’t root! (Insert curses and wailing.) I am about to message Freedom Gardens to see if I can order a couple. 🤞 I NEED THAT ROSE!!

Carol

@Brandon Garner, was it “Brooks Purple” (possible second ID “Red Runaround”?), the Gallica that is all over Oregon City and such? I think RVR might carry it, and Paul might also have a specimen (if he is propagating). Carol

Lily, I have a Peach Silk and would be happy to share cuttings. It is one of my special roses. I have a gorgeous peach climber I got from Jackson Perkins years ago - Heavenly Dawn, that they dont carry anymore and it isnt listed for sale anywhere nor is it on Helpmefind. It isnt huge, but going to try some cutting this year. Also have Pompanella but its not as big as Peach Silk.

Judith

Carol Rose petal has red runaround! I ordered it for this Spring :)

I have had so many get away it's unreal. They either died before shipping, weather related, or from my pot fiasco insisident :( so sad. But I will keep on ordering until I have them, and can catch them instock.

@portlandmysteryrose i believe that there was/is a "Brooks Purple" in the rose garden in Avery Park in Corvallis, OR. If my memory is correct and there is then the rose I described is not the same as that "Brooks Purple". And it isn't the same as Paul Barden's shown here: http://tlcfocus.com/paulbarden/gallicas/brookspurple.html

However, if you type in Brooks purple on helpmefind at the bottom is gives a couple of could bes (for brooks purple/red runaround) On Frederic II de Prusse's page there is a picture by the user JEDMAR from june 2019 that shows very similar growth habit and even the color change from a lighter color to the purple. If the links works it should show the picture I am talking about.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.362100 

However, helpmefind also shows Mary Lawrance's Shell rose rose as a possible ID for brooks purple. this picture shows the back of the flower, which is very similar to the one that I had.

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.282610

Thank you for pointing me towards more roses I need to look at/keep an eye out for.

looks like I either need to get The Bishop, Frederic II de Prusse, Mary Lawrance's Shell Rose (and quite possibly Brooks Purple as well) or I need to drive to Atlanta and see if the rose still exists and try my hand that way. (though neither option would my wife be all that amicable to)

if anyone's looking for aschermittwoch I saw it at RVR yesterday

@Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b

Aschermittwoch—when it’s good, it’s very, very good!

@Brandon Garner

If Houzz would let me attach photos, I’d post a couple of my young Frederic de Prusse blooms. Maybe I’ll be able to attach photos tomorrow.

@Alana8aSC

I am excited for your Red Runaround! I am going to try to get the similar similar? same? mystery rose from Oregon City at some point.

Carol

@portlandmysteryrose but when it's bad, is it horrid? :p I've heard stories. I've gone back and forth a lot on Aschermittwoch. Not sure I have space--I just downgraded two Souv du Docteur Jamains I had coming to Rouge Royale because I didn't realize how big they got. Hopefully they'll be as beautiful!

@portlandmysteryrose since houzz is causing issues for posting, i am fine with receiving email of the Frederic de Prusse blooms is you wanted to. the email address to send it to would be (without the spapces, but with the underscores) all_ for_ roses@outlook .com

thanks

Aaron Rosarian Do you know if Rouge Royale is doing well on ownroots? I've read some reviews said it'd be better to be grafted.

BTW, Snowbird, an old HT, is also in stock too.

I have no idea. I'm going to try it own root and hope for the best :)

Aaron, Aaron, You can check it out when you visit peter in June! He has ash Wednesday.

So I emailed Pat from roses unlimited today regarding Mme Figaro and she told me it was in stock. as we went back and forth regarding shipment the rose sold out!! this year is really not my year 😩 anyone know where i can get Mme Figaro (Delbard rose?

@Aaron Rosarian Zone 5b Ha, ha! You are hilarious! But I suppose, yes, the rhyme fits. With that said, I think it’s worth growing Ash Wednesday just to experience first hand the unusual blooms. Don’t expect much remontancy or squeaky clean health. Just savor the perfect greyness of the blooms when the stars align. :-) Carol

@CeresMer Zone 7a NJ I think Angel Gardens might have it. Carol

@Brandon Garner

Frederic de Prusse pics coming up…..

The blooms start silvery-pink-magenta and turn mauve-lavender as they age. 100% healthy plant for me. The blooms are VERY fragrant to my nose with definite lemony Gallica flavors.

The pink before the mauve-lavender mellowing.

I just ordered the old Soupert et Notting Moss rose ’Violacee’ from Freedom Gardens. FG is rooting my unicorn for me for 2023 delivery!! 🎉🎉🎉💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻 This nursery is so friendly and helpful! Custom own root roses.

I also ordered FG’s Combined Rose List 2022 (international reference) which contains a description of pretty much every existing rose known to humans (16,500 of them) in one publication along with a list of the hundreds of mail order nurseries offering the roses. 274 pages! How awesome is that? I’ll tuck my copy into my garden reference shelf next to my priceless and irreplaceable Vintage Gardens catalog.

Carol

Do we really have hundreds of rose sellers in the US?

There may be hundreds of rose sellers, but they sure can't ship to Idaho, and I don't want iffy roses in my garden that may bring in pests we don't now have. Diane

@portlandmysteryrose thank you for the pictures. at first I thought that they looked a little off, but as I was going through my rose photos on facebook where I knew that I had posted it, I am now thinking maybe? I am going to try posting some pictures of the rose to see what you think.

@portlandmysteryrose a couple more pictures

sorry, I don't know how to rotate this

The Combined Rose List is international, so I’m assuming the seller list is too. If only I could mail order from France! Carol

@Brandon Garner Hmmm. Not sure. Maybe? It looks similar: green eye, bloom size, petal count and color, habit,…. I found a Stephen Scanniello FdP video with a nice view of the rose bush and a description. I’ll try to attach the link. I’ll also get some more cane and foliage shots of my baby. No buds yet.

Video link

@portlandmysteryrose thank you. From where did you get your FdP?

Mine came from Claire (Cascadia Heritage Roses Group), so it should be 100% spot on FdP II.

@portlandmysteryrose thank you

Frederic de Prusse is beautiful 😍Carol! I would give my right leg, jk, for a piece of that. Gorgeous 🥰

@Alana8aSC

When mine gets a bit bigger, you may most certainly have a piece! Stephen Scanniello says FdP II roots easily by layering, so I’ll try that.

@Brandon Garner

When my baby plant is bigger, I can try layering a piece for you, too, if you’d like. For comparison.

Carol

@portlandmysteryrose that would be great. Thank you