yep hawthorn is my only guess, too

Possibly Crataegus spathulata - Littlehip Hawthorn

Definitely Crataegus spathulata

That would seem to be it. Thank you. The Texas A & M site lists it as z4. Call me skeptical, but maybe it is so. Is this tree used ornamentally in SEC country?

Its‘s an early one

the usual WAG from me.. ribes of some sort???

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ribes+leaves&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

Ken there are actually Ribes native to the southeastern US, but they sure as hell don't get that big!

there were no replies when i made my WAG ... or else i wouldnt have embarrassed myself like that .. appearing to doubt peeps who are rarely wrong ...

i dont mind doing it intentionally for a laugh ... but its getting on my nerves when the website seems to be messing with me .... maybe i ought to try to post a pic ... lol

ken

the day i won the battle... lol

go figure.. i can load pix.. lol ...

The website is really ’glitchy’ right now for me as well. Hope the Houzz folks can get a handle on it soon.

Ken, I like the idea of a default WAG, and offering up just the genus is a good strategy. Here’s my WAG: the red haired boy is now 25. :)