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Amending soil and replanting under birch trees

4 years ago

We are replanting under birch trees in front yard. We have painstakingly removed the old clumpy grasses by hand making sure not to disturb, cut or otherwise damage the birch’s shallow roots. Next I’m planning on mixing in composted chicken manure and organic compost, leaving it to mellow out for a couple weeks, then plant drought hardy shrubs with a low profile and shallow roots to avoid competing with the birch or being killed by the birch’s stealing of nutrients and water, then mulch. My question: can I leave some of the old plant roots and just mix it into the dirt+compost+manure? Or do I need to remove all these little loose root pieces and get the old dirt as clean as possible? Any thoughts on my plan as outlined above?

Comments (14)

  • 4 years ago

    Depending on how thick of a layer of that chicken manure-compost combo you plan on applying, I'd say this was not a great idea. Sorry.

    Raising the soil level around an established tree has the potential to smother the root system, depriving it of oxygen and eventually killing the tree. And if you planned on planting shrubs, you would need a pretty thick layer of the stuff to accommodate the rootballs without disturbing the birch roots. And being just organic matter, it will soon shrink and expose the shrub roots. Even without layering on any amendments, you would have a heck of a time trying to plant shrubs in that area without terrorizing the birch roots.

    You might be able to get by with plugs of drought tolerant, spreading groundcovers.

  • 4 years ago

    Anything would be better than what was there previously.. ’m definitely open to groundcover, if shrubs are too big then so be it! Any suggestions for ground covers? We are in Zone 9 and this area is full sun.

  • 4 years ago

    Oh and we won’t be doing a thick layer. Sprinkle manure and compost, hand mix around the loose soil to break up the clay in the top 2-3 inches. Will definitely be mindful of not making it thick and I do know we need to keep the soil level around the tree trunks the exact same!

  • 4 years ago

    Zone 9 where? It makes a difference. And the concern is not so much about raising the soil level around the trunk (although that too is never a good idea) but more the impact of the increase to the entire under-canopy area. 2-3 inches of soil is too much.......2-3 inches of compost not so bad as it will continue to reduce with time.

  • 4 years ago

    What I mean is that as I break up the old compacted soil, I’m only aiming to break up the top two or 3 inches, I was planning to mix in some compost which includes composted chicken manure. Not raw. So the total top layer would be 2-3 inches but only like 1/2” of that would be “new” stuff aka the composted manure. Zone 9 Bay Area, it’s hot and dry but where we are does get more fog and rain in the winter than other parts.

  • 4 years ago



    I live in zone 6..I have half an acre with lots of trees..I've avoided planting near my trees..in this pic there's lamium galeobdolon spreading everywhere..I pulled quite a bit out last summer..this is a spring pic before the trees are fully leafed out..seems sunny but that's short lived..

    you have full sun..would scattering seeds of some kind work?..

  • 4 years ago

    Don't try and amend the soil. You can't add enough to make much of a difference and trying to work it into the soil amongst all those roots without damaging them would be a Herculean task!!

    Go to a local nursery/garden center and see what groundcovers they offer that fit your situation. A coupe of natives that come to mind are dwarf manzanitas, Ceanothus gloriosus or griseus or prostrate coyote bush. I also like creeping raspberry, Rubus calycinoides. And a variety of cranesbill or hardy geraniums or creeping thymes could work as well.

    Purchase in as small a size as you can find and then much lightly in between with your amendment mix.

  • 4 years ago

    Makes sense. Thanks!! I’ll look up the ones you suggest!

  • 4 years ago

    Ended up cleaning up the soil and planting in the shallow topsoil. No roots her disturbed in the making and I have zero regrets!!

  • 4 years ago

    Have you had any problems with your birch roots growing into your lawn?

  • 4 years ago

    That looks beautiful J L.

  • 4 years ago

    Cyndymn not that I can tell.

  • 4 years ago

    Thank you toxcrusadr!