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something rare blooming in my garden

4 years ago
last modified: 4 years ago

I have literally been trying to grow these for decades.

While I was alreadyin the mood for ID contests, I'll make this one, too. I would never have forgotten what this was, that's for damn sure!



The reason I'm posting? Well, maybe a little to brag. More though, to reveal 'the secret'. As with the Wahlenbergia I featured a few years ago, I grew these from seed. I had tried it mail order (as a plant) at least once before, maybe twice, and it died. With the seeds...some did well, some did not. Out of about 15 seedlings, 4 made it, but those were the ones that found my local climate conditions to their liking. Only one is blooming this year so any seed will be selfed. I hope I can get the remaining 3 blooming at the same time next year so they outcross. They are monocarpic so die after flowering.

So again we see an advantage to growing rare plants, unproven in our local climate, from seed, to give the best chance for some genetic diversity to lead to adaptability. I am not going to say this always works. ALL of the toetoe grasses from New Zealand I tried to grow from seed, died of root rot in the insane heavy rain and humidity of last summer.

(bonus points for IDing the background plant, too!)

Comments (17)

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I can't name it...but I get the impression I've seen it before (on web/paper). It appears to be in liliacea, but that's about all I can say.

    Ever had any luck growing any Meconopsis (one of my 'I wish it were possible in the South' plants)

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked dbarron
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    "Ever had any luck growing any Meconopsis"

    Never even tried. No chance of surviving - the blue Himalayan ones find southeastern England "too hot". My understanding is that the least fussy of them, like M. cantabrica, can be grown in coastal New England. That's still a vastly different world apart from my climate. A collector I know on the coast of CT can grow several lepidotes rhodies that quickly die here.

    [update - just googled, the welsh poppy is now considered Papaver]


  • 4 years ago

    There actually is a rare Lilicaceae that kind of looks like this, but it's not that. It's a dicot.


  • 4 years ago

    Yeah, well, we all wish for impossible gardening things. I hate taxonomists (just saying).

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked dbarron
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    M cantabrica is virtually a weed here. Self sows all over the place.

    Can’t recall your mystery plant but I’d go Campanulaceae. Wild guess at Euphorbia for the background.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 4 years ago

    OK, it’s come to me. Michauxia. But no idea which one.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
  • 4 years ago

    I believe you're right Floral. I've seen that genus in Plant World Seeds *lol* that's where I saw it.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked dbarron
  • 4 years ago

    I live in coastal New England and tried several times to grow the Himalayan poppies. No luck.

    UpperBayGardener (zone 7) thanked Barrheadlass
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Yep, it's Michauxia campanuloides from Jelitto Staudensamen!


    I checked my plant database: I have tried them before from Arrowhead Alpines, Dancing Oaks in the PNW, and Annie's Annuals! None of them took. So I'm glad I tried one more time from seed - and even that I did twice. Rarepalmseed and Jelitto. I don't mean to slam Herr Spanner and what he's trying to do with RPS, but there were several items I ordered from both and the Jelitto seed always did much, much better. There is where I got the 2 species of Austroderia grass. The toetoe grass seed from RPS didn't germinate for me.


    The background is a variegated Euphorbia, pretty sure it's 'Tasmanian Tiger'.

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Dbarron - it's possible too that you were thinking of this monocot: https://www.plantdelights.com/products/notholirion-thomsonianum

    Which has somewhat similar frilly and recurved flower petals.

    I have tried it, and did not make it...and I'd be a bit surprised to learn that they persist in gardens in NC, catalog description notwithstanding.


  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    Yeah, gardengal, I know that they grow them at the RSF garden, for example. FWIW, there's a way to see 'real, live' blue poppies on the east coast. Other conservatories may do this, but Longwood has a display of them every March. The plants are grown to flowering size by a contract grower in Alaska, and transferred to a production glasshouse the winter before, and tricked into early flowering with artificial lighting. I'm sure they are as breathtaking as they are anywhere else in the world...Longwood has ridiculously high standards for everything. But alas, yeah, they are supposedly often an expensive biennial in most places they are grown.

  • 4 years ago

    Being extremely short sighted has its advantages, as does using an ipad. By zooming and holding the screen 5 inches from my nose I can see quite a bit .... providing the picture is in focus. 🤓

  • 4 years ago

    David, that was indeed what I was thinking...though I don't know why (doesn't really look like Campanulacea to me). How'd you know? Are you reading my mind *lol*?

  • 4 years ago

    ‘doesn't really look like Campanulacea to me’... the pleated buds with calyces are a clue, just like a Campanula. Also it doesn’t have the texture of Liliaceae.

  • 4 years ago

    Yes, floral, I know....I was talking about the notholirion.

  • 4 years ago

    Aha, I see.

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