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3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

If my home requires 3.5 tons and variable speed AC Units only come in 3 or 4 tons, does it make sense that because it's a variable speed unit, a 4 ton unit can be capped at 3.5 tons or more even 3.25 tons? I am being told this is possible, just want to make sure.

Comments (117)

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    Mike asked a legitimate question about an HVAC installer's work which you continue to avoid answering. I suspect it's because, as this thread makes clear, you have--or at least had--no idea what balancing dampers are and how they function. You dismissed the link I provided above for homeowners to educate themselves about balancing dampers because it was from "cpi plumbing." As is often the case, you told only half the story. The company is CPI Plumbing and Heating. They're not the only company that does both. Their web site information on balancing dampers is good stuff.

    If you insist that you don't work remotely, and that HVAC is an on-site, hands-on activity, then I suggest you do houzzers a favor and not take up white space on this forum.

  • 3 years ago

    So one thinking with a clear mind would probably come to the conclusion this discussion is over both of your pay grades.

    Ray,

    Are you saying I am not qualified to ask the original author of this posting a question?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Charles you want me to answer something that I haven't seen in person. Maybe you like to play guessing games from your perch at "build a shack headquarters".


    Every home is unique unto itself, I am not in the guessing game business. Mike doesn't own this home... so maybe Mike should find a new hobby?


    No wait let's play a new guessing game. I think the OP has better things to do Mike.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    Posting questions and getting input here on houzz equips posters to ask better questions of their contractors as they seek to remedy a problem. In this case, the HVAC contractor appears to be clueless, but well-intentioned. It's evident, based on the number of issues houzzers have with HVAC and the quality of responses from HVAC contractors that the "clueless" part describes a lot of HVAC contractors.

  • 3 years ago

    Every home is unique unto itself, I am not in the guessing game business.

    No wait let's play a new guessing game. I think the OP has better things to do Mike.

    Ray,

    Asking questions about the installation is a guessing game? Can you explain your statements in more detail?

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Ray,

    Asking questions about the installation is a guessing game? Can you explain your statements in more detail?

    Did the OP not say that he's got dampers installed that didn't fix his issues to the point that he replaced the unit for a smaller unit?

    Mike, you and the builder say hey all you need to do is put in dampers and balance the system -- yet this didn't work. hmm. Phone it in, tell the guy he needs a new HVAC contractor. This is helping in your world.

    What other changes did they make to try to get this unit to work? You want me to re-read the thread back to you Mike?

    (That's not my job)

    ----- the builder? --------

    Yeah who built the house? Let's not think about that -- pass blame to? Yet our resident builder blames this sort of thing on the HVAC contractor that comes years later... they do sound clueless to me, but clueless people often run around in the same circles. You know fine dining and fine accommodations sort of thing.

    Design problems aren't fixed with gimmicks and design problems are more than just HVAC system design problems. The house (structure) will not defeat me... money is the only object that defeats someone like me. (The lack of money to fix the problem)

    Money doesn't exchange hands on this forum board. I am only here to make a living & I go where the discussion goes casting light where there is none.

    The record spins wider. (what is a record?)


    Happy Halloween



  • 3 years ago

    Mike, you and the builder say hey all you need to do is put in dampers and balance the system

    Ray,

    This is not correct. Nowhere did I state all you need to do is install dampers. I did ask questions after the dampers were installed.

    You want me to re-read the thread back to you Mike?

    No Ray, I will do you for you.

    Why would a contractor install dampers and then not bother to make any adjustments?

    I asked this question after it was decided by someone else to install dampers. It was a rhetorical question.

    My other question:

    Are you saying the installed dampers are not working as they should and the installer is constricting the flexible duct work with zip ties?

    In this question I am trying to verify the information stated in the original author's posting.

    I don't understand why you feel the need to criticize me for asking questions. Next time read the posts carefully.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Balancing a system is not a trivial task because adjusting a single damper affects air flow to other points in the system. It's even more complicated when the system is a variable speed system. There are both specialized equipment and training required to properly balance a residential HVAC system. I suspect the OP's contractor lacks both. The OP will be well served to consult a certified balancing contractor.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    " I am only here to make a living "

    Most everyone needs to make a living and I'm sure most wish you success in doing so. Just as a well-intentioned suggestion, I suspect your typical comments and attitude in this forum do not contribute positively to your being successful.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    ha, ha... 29 years in HVAC. And you're worried about my success? You knuckle heads make my living even better and what's even more funny is that you don't even realize it after roughly 6 years of me posting here. Hysterical.


    The OP says what is going on. Mike_home our resident home owner that lives in NJ is going to tackle and fix this OP's problem remotely. He's phoning it in. A pretender with too much time on his hands...


    click to enlarge: This pretty much sums it up. We can't read what is written no, no, no we must repeat and ask again even when it's there in black and white.

    But wait... it gets even better...


    They claim my success is in danger because they try to twist the words I say thinking my success is in danger when I live in a hot climate... every brand breaks in this heat, I work on all brands.


    A review I got that I have used many, many times to illustrate who knows what is going on.


    click to enlarge.



    I give you the reader so many things to think about because these forum board knuckle heads aren't coming to your house. You are going to have to find a contractor in your area.


    Would you trust someone who can't listen to you and understand you? Let alone the problem you are having with your AC system?


    I service the Katy, Texas area.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "You are going to have to find a (HVAC) contractor in your area. "

    That's generally the case. The problem is that the HVAC contractors they are likely to find are of the same caliber as you, Ray. And so, folks with a bent toward actually helping posters will continue to offer help to the extent they can to protect them from clueless service contractors like the one the OP has hired.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "You are going to have to find a (HVAC) contractor in your area. "

    That's generally the case. The problem is that the HVAC contractors they are likely to find are of the same caliber as you, Ray.


    ----------

    This is primarily why I post here to give you "the reader" clues as to how you can make a decision without me in it.


    My view of helping isn't telling you do this or that and good luck. (It may seem like that from a forum board... you have to invest the time to read what I post here / and or explore my website(s) and youtube channel for info that might be pertinent to your situation if you don't reside in my area.


    OP's often vacate threads because if I had to guess --- they get worn out having to repeat themselves when they've already invested the time to tell you what is going on.


    It was a common theme from the review I got as well. No one would listen. (here in a forum board means no one is reading... except yours truly. ~wink, wink.


    What people do read is things I say... only to twist them to mean something else. This is also helping?


    The infamous review I got was from someone who frequented this board... a reader who never posted. Don't think for one second I am not aware of "invisible things" --- something a pretender never realizes or experiences first hand.

  • 3 years ago

    The OP says what is going on. Mike_home our resident home owner that lives in NJ is going to tackle and fix this OP's problem remotely. He's phoning it in. A pretender with too much time on his hands...

    Ray,

    I can read what the homeowner wrote. When a discussion becomes long it helps to copy and paste a prior post. Are you criticizing me for using this technique and verifying the information the OP posted.?

    I don't pretend to be anyone other than someone who is trying to help people make good decisions. I can make time to help people without any financial compensation.

  • 3 years ago

    His one and one only positive review, taken off the fridge door to use again.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I use that review when appropriate... after being in business as long as I have (29 years in HVAC) I have learned people do not like to be tracked which in order for a review to be legit it is a requirement other wise it's what we like to call fake news... in a world that is mostly fake -- something Mr Fudd can relate too. (he's a fake)






    Once again? yeah multiple times.





    I service the Katy, Texas area.



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Those aren't public reviews or recommendations, they're communications with your customers. Like someone saying "thanks for coming" as you walk out the door. People who get a lot of positive reviews know what they look like. PS - you've shown those same ones before too.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I just made them public.


    The only limit is your imagination Mr. Fudd.


    It's not the number of reviews that count... it's the quality of the review.


    The better review comes from a willing participant than one being badgered about leaving a review. Some won't leave a review no matter what you try. Some companies will pay for reviews either thru some freebie or discount or other.


    The use of Bots and other things to influence or coax a review. Things that you Mr. Fudd do not realize.


    So if I showed more reviews you'd say? But I want to see more reviews? I've already proven you wrong once... when you said I only have one review? You're never right --- doesn't mean I am wrong even one time.


    If you're more worried about me than I am what does that tell you about you. I have a reason to be here. What is your reason? To worry about what Ray is doing?


    I'm flattered... but it's not necessary. You give me more ideas I have a back log a mile long.



  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Exactly how does all this self-aggrandizing commentary help the OP, Ray?

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Self aggrandizing?

    Someone claims I have only 1 review when I post an infamous review that is pertinent to the OP's situation to illustrate I know how to fix the problem the OP is having as opposed you you and others saying...

    Hey all you need is some dampers and balance the system... when that doesn't work it leads into a mess with other home owners that can't even read what is written even when the OP's comments are highlighted with in the post they are commenting on.

    So I am now self aggrandizing because someone claims I only have 1 review. I post additional reviews --- which now leads to me being charged with self aggrandizing?

    This is so you the reader see how these antagonists operate. It's always spinning the narrative.

    Charles is jealous from his perch at build a shack headquarters? What other conclusion could be made?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    Using this thread as a case in point, read your posts in chronological order. For each post, ask yourself "how does this help the OP or answer their question? If you're lucky, you might score a single post that does either.

    OPs aren't interested in your self-proclaimed "illustrious" career nor your backlog nor your client reviews nor the fact that you service the Katy, TX area. They come here for help. Any they don't want to have to scour your website and your cartoon videos to glean some tidbit that might apply to their situation.

  • 3 years ago

    Hello all! Wow it has been busy in here. Apologies for the delay, I was in Las Vegas! 


    So that is correct, I do have dampers installed and when they were adjusted I was still getting a lot of air flow in the home which made it colder then what it was suppose to be. They used duct zip ties to constrict the air flow to all rooms but the master bedroom. The master bedroom now does get a lot of air which is the way it was previously when the original contractor came out 5 years ago and added tape to the ducts. I'm thinking they couldn't shut the dampers any more so they had to rely on the duct ties. Below is a photo. 

    Also the furnace is a xc80 trane unit, the outdoor unit is the trane xv18 3 ton unit. The thermostat is a nexia 850 trane smart thermostat. 


    One thing I am noticing is that the thermostat is still reading different then my air thermometer. Below are a few examples. I have been playing with the calibration to try to match it to what my air thermometer reads. Is that safe to do without damaging the system? Currently I adjusted it to -4 and now I am within 1 degree of the thermostat. Should I do another -1 to match it?

  • 3 years ago

    " If you're more worried about me than I am "


    No, not at all. Like others, I tire of your baseless exaggerations and, like others, can recalibrate comments with more objectivity. For new visitors who come along, I think it helps to put your off-point and perhaps well-intentioned but misguided comments into perspective.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Hector,

    The use of tape and zip ties leads me to believe you don't have balancing dampers installed at each branch connection off the main (trunk) duct and the folks doing the work don't have the requisite expertise. If you do have balancing dampers on each branch, a minor adjustment to each is all it should take to increase the air flow rate to the master bedroom.

  • 3 years ago

    Hi Charles! So here is a picture of one of the duct levers. I do recall them adding dampers, metal plates. Here is a photo of a lever on a duct. When they adjusted the ducts I was still receiving too much air flow in most rooms which made it very cold so they reduced it even more with the duct ties. Is that safe? It seems to be getting the job done.


    I also adjusted the calibration on the thermostat to -5  and now it reads the same as the thermometer.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Balancing dampers are simply an adjustable device that regulates air flow by adding pressure loss. The problem with adding pressure loss by other means such as constricting the flow by pinching the flex duct with zip ties is that it is not reproducible (you'll likely want to adjust your dampers for cooling season and readjust for heating system.) If your contractor hasn't inspected each damper already--that's a good place to start. Then adjust them following the procedure in the link:

    https://www.cpiplumbing.com/adjust-your-hvac-dampers-to-keep-your-entire-home-comfy-all-year/

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    ha, ha, ha... baseless exaggerations please lead me to the land of milk and honey with a worthless link because Charles doesn't read anything either.

    He will just post a link some where to get rid of you so he can call his helping from his perch at build a shack headquarters in Norfolk, Va.

    The link he posted isn't so kind to the build a shack network as they claim many home builders don't install dampers but in the same breath they say a zone system is a premium system.

    How could that be? I am an exaggerating professional. See I come here to exaggerate the problem yeah it's all my fault.

    So imagine the home owner going to a build a shack provided link and finding this info... say what --- everyone was against this zoned system, but a link they provided is none other than saying a zone system is a premium system? Please stop asking those kinds of questions... we must drive the OP's of this board to a life of gambling and risky behavior.

    HA, HA, HA. (Baseless exaggerations by yours truly) --- the builder: Well at least Ray is consistent!

    Some other choice words... reliable, dependable and he can actually fix stuff that home builders create from the build a shack network to your local area.

    Go ahead check the link the builder provided... no wait I'll make it so - so easy for you. All you have to do it click enlarge it and read. Priceless!

    Courtessy of Charles Ross --- aka the helper! Click to enlarge.


    I service the Katy, Texas area.

    PS: What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. LOL.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Exactly how does any of your caustic commentary help the OP, Ray?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Recalibrating Thermostat



    It's not going to hurt anything to recalibrate the thermostat. It shouldn't be necessary if they calibrated it at the factory to begin with. (Trane quality these days.)


    But be sure the thermostat you are using is accurate too. To do that fill a glass of ice with water. Stick the probe in there wait 5-10 min. The thermometer should be 32F


    But only do this if you think I am NOT exaggerating. ha, ha, ha.


    With a 59F outdoor ambient it's probably going to be some time before you will see how well duct ties, dampers and possibly bubble gum will help this thing actually work right.


    Ooops there I go exaggerating again...

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Exactly how does any of your caustic commentary help the OP, Ray?

    Only because you asked: remember that Charles.

    How does it help?

    The builder who built the home put you in this position to begin with... the last thing you should do is go to a builder for advice. (You can, but for exaggeration reasons I can't recommend that.)

    The link you provided Charles also proves it. This is helping... not a way you like but we're not here to do things everyone likes. We don't hand out participation trophies in HVAC.


    At least Ray is consistent, reliable, dependable, commendable, can illustrate a point to it's fruition, doesn't back down from exaggeration, has more than 1 review hanging on his refrigerator so he can self aggrandize at a moments notice not because he has an ego but because he lives in the land of exaggeration. Everything must be exaggerated.


    ha, ha, ha.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    "But be sure the thermostat you are using is accurate too. To do that fill a glass of ice with water. Stick the probe in there wait 5-10 min. The thermometer should be 32F "

    Not, well, exactly. According to UEI, the manufacturer of the particular digital thermometer, it has an accuracy of +/- 1.8 F over the range of normal indoor temperatures. So, it would be within calibration if it reads anywhere from 30.2 F to 33.8 F when the probe is immersed in an ice bath. It may not be helpful for "calibrating" the OP's thermostat if a higher level of accuracy is desired.

  • 3 years ago

    I also adjusted the calibration on the thermostat to -5 and now it reads the same as the thermometer.

    I don't understand why you would need to add an offset of -5 F degrees to the thermostat so it will agree with the thermometer. Digital thermostats have built in electronic temperature sensors. Even the cheapest models should be accurate to within a degree. Are you confident the thermometer is accurate? Then if it is I would ask the installer replace the thermostat.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    If the accuracy of the sensor in the Trane thermostat is comparable to the UEI digital thermometer, their results could differ by as much as 2 x 1.8 F = 3.6 F (if one's reading high and one's reading low) and both still be within their specified accuracy. Whether they agree exactly isn't all that important. What is important is the thermostat's repeatability, i.e., whether it will consistently control to desired indoor conditions for comfort. The OP needs to determine what setpoint temperature on their particular thermostat delivers the desired comfort and not obsess about whether it reads higher or lower than a more accurate temperature measuring device.

  • 3 years ago

    It is also possible the power supply (approx. 24 V AC) being applied to the thermostat is out of range. A simple voltage measurement while the thermostat is connected could be done to confirm this.

    I thought Honeywell (now known as Resideo) made Trane labeled thermostats. This may not be true for the thermostat in question.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    If the accuracy of the sensor in the Trane thermostat is comparable to the UEI digital thermometer, their results could differ by as much as 2 x 1.8 F = 3.6 F



    But how would you know without testing it? 3.6 = 5 now Charles? Makes perfect sense... no wonder you would say that adjusting a damper twice a year will fix this problem.

    Well not exactly... yeah the home builder is quite well versed in blow smoke economics. Look, thermostats are designed to be accurate within a degree or two. Maybe 3, or is it 4 or 5. Just live with it. (Build a shack network diagnosis)

    The thermostat design allows for an offset because? Regardless of who made the thermostat -- they are made in China, maybe Mexico to a lesser degree. Trane -- well it hard to stop a Trane cause we say it is.

    The method I describe of testing the accuracy of a digital thermometer has been used since they became in to existance. How else would you prove the accuracy? Builder: never question the accuracy of any thing. How dare you!

    We'll just take the manufacturer's word for it. Look to the picture. I'm pretty sure the OP had a reason to adjust the temp by -4 degrees and considering another degree. Now imagine what the temperature is in the room that is 30 feet away that is the problem. We'll use yet another thermostat and absolutely will not question the accuracy because the discomfort we feel is all in our head.

    You were crazy enough to pick us to build your shack, so it's your fault. (Builder warranty claims dept.)

    We put that adjustment in the thermostat --- but please don't use it. We knew this thermostat was inferior the moment it left the factory. But please stop adjusting them. Stop calling to question the accuracy of anything. Just adjust your dampers twice a year and stop making things up in your head. (Builder mentality --- blame the victim err we meant to say 'customer' with bated breath.)

    At least Charles is consistent at blowing smoke.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I suspect you don't know the difference between accuracy, precision, and repeatability. Your continuing education should start there, Ray.

    If you'd like to check the manufacturer's data sheet for the digital thermometer, here's a link:

    https://www.ueitest.com/ecommerce/site/content/PDFs/PDT650/PDT650_WDS.pdf

    So when it's immersed in an ice bath at 32 F it could read +/- 1.8 F of that and be within it's range of accuracy. You can't make it more accurate than that, nor will anything you "calibrate" with it be any more accurate than that.

    As noted above, it's the repeatability of the thermostat that is important, not it's accuracy.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I suspect you don't know the difference between accuracy, precision, and repeatability. Your continuing education should start there, Ray.



    Love a builder that knows how to think?


    If the test above shows an inaccuracy of the thermometer in question a further adjustment can be made.


    Say your thermometer registers 34F in the ice bath common sense would tell you to deduct 2F degrees from it.


    As the video shows above it works.


    Please stop questioning the methods of the build a shack network. We'll be out of the office today for a fine dining luncheon in a place near fine accommodations.


    Never question the builder's methods. Precision yes! We are precise at being wrong. Well what is a few degrees between contractually obligated friends?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    Anyone who's seen your videos knows that not everything on the internet is true.

    Temperature sensing devices should be calibrated at two points. For an inexpensive device like the OP's temperature probe, that would involve checking in both an ice bath and in boiling water.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Keep phoning in the HVAC contractor that is contractually obligated to you Charles... put the thermometer, damper and duct ties down and walk away.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    I don't know who the "expert" is in the video that you're promoting nor what his credentials are. When it comes to temperature measurement, I look to the folks at Omega Engineering for advice. They manufacture, sell and calibrate lots of temperature sensors. Here's what they recommend:

    "The simplest way to calibrate a temperature sensor is to check how it reads the temperature of two physical constants: the temperature at which ice melts and the boiling point of water (although the latter should be corrected for atmospheric pressure). While quick and inexpensive, one weakness of this method is that it is typically not a NIST traceable calibration."

    https://in.omega.com/technical-learning/calibrating-temperature-measurement-devices.html#:~:text=The%20simplest%20way%20to%20calibrate,be%20corrected%20for%20atmospheric%20pressure).

    The internet can be a useful source of information, Ray. Just pick reliable sources.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    The internet can be a useful source of information, Ray. Just pick reliable sources.


    Like your cpi-plumbing link that demotes builders for being cheap? Tells you that a zone system is a premium system? click to enlarge.


    Or how about your own words that builders don't work on, let alone design HVAC systems for the homes you build.


    Is this not credible information that you've delivered here?


    Click to enlarge


    You're a builder aren't you Charles? This is you from above isn't it?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    The point being debated is calibration of a temperature sensing device. Do you have anything, well, accurate, to contribute to that or just your normal red herrings and bullying to deflect and divert the conversation?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    ha, ha, ha...


    At least you're consistent Charles... when losing the argument change subjects.


    Now I am bullying by: Providing accurate information that was spewed as being accurate by the builder that is no longer accurate because it doesn't fit the narrative.


    I am deflecting and diverting the conversation by using quotes and info provided by you as being factual.


    Was it not you Charles who said this?:

    The internet can be a useful source of information, Ray. Just pick reliable sources.


    Just past a half hour ago you said this... but now you would like to recant this?


    Didn't I use your own sources Charles? SO what you're telling us is the information you provide is not RELIABLE?


    What is it? Please tell us Charles.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    You seem to take delight in the fact that CPI noted that not all builders install balancing dampers. A couple of posts before I posted the link to CPI, I stated:

    "Balancing dampers are installed to make adjustments in air flows because stuff doesn't always function perfectly as designed nor as it ages. Competent system designers understand that and the better mechanical contractors will install balancing dampers at initial construction."

    I don't believe you even knew what a balancing damper was at the beginning of this thread. You jumped to your one-size-fits-all inverter with zoning solution to a simple air balancing problem. Good service contractors will work hard to make what's currently installed work properly before recommending an investment in additional stuff.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Charles I delight in you contradicting yourself. Not once here and there but repeatedly over and over.


    At least you can always fall back on: I am Charles the home builder, we don't do HVAC work.


    That's accurate isn't it Charles?

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Ray,

    I don't risk sheet metal cuts, but I am involved in the design and installation of HVAC systems for every home we build and remodel. I have an engineering degree and a PE license. I worked in HVACR design, operation, and maintenance for the first 18 years of my career. Better HVAC systems are a point of difference in our homes. As designers and builders, we add value by helping our clients make informed choices from the full range of available options. Systems we've specified include air conditioners and heat pumps of all stripes including multi-stage, variable speed, geothermal, ducted and ductless mini splits, gas furnaces, dehumidifiers, make-up air and ventilation systems, energy-recovery ventilators and ventilation systems for conditioned crawl spaces. I suspect that range exceeds what you've installed, let alone designed.

  • PRO
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Charles,

    So all this commentary you grace us with is all about a pissing contest with a licensed HVAC contractor in Texas?

    The problem with design and install (only) is that you never see your failures. You're always working with new equipment, new design, new building, new customer, always changing faces and design characteristics. The odds an installer goes back is not that likely and often times if they do go back they fumble it, because "service" isn't their business.

    On the face of that there is nothing wrong with that. I am just pointing the glaring problem from where your ego is versus mine. We all have egos. Being involved isn't the same as doing it all.

    I am primarily built around service. Which means a multitude of differences from design and install. I know those differences well because I also occasionally do design and install as that is also a part of service.

    The sheet metal your sub put in may cut me, the design maybe suspect, the controls may be lack luster, the condensate system may have caused damage, maintenance of the equipment and the list goes on an on.

    I don't pass my work off to a sub even if I don't necessarily like it. I see my own failures and in many cases I correct them before anyone else sees them (because I am the one doing the work). That is the nature of what I do. I don't view this as a pissing contest... I am not here for that because of what I know what often occurs in this field a short 3 to 5 years later after the "installer" is long gone.

    Whether it's you or me is irrelevant. Service means you will come back no matter how much you don't want to.

    In terms of being cut by sheet metal? They make gloves and tape.

  • 3 years ago

    Hi all!! Just an update, definitely need to get the house balanced a little more but waiting until the summertime comes around to tackle that one. My new issue that has been coming up randomly is that my trane furnace (xc80). Has been kicking into the higher speed mode but not sure why this is happening. Example, last night I had it set to 69 and when I woke up the heat was blasting. The thermostat read 73 which may have been due to a schedule, (i will test that further) still it got so hot in my bathroom that my thermometer read 87.4 degrees. Please see pictures below. Any idea why there would be that much of difference? You can also see the thermometer reads 77 and the thermostat reads 73.  I also saw in the details emergency heat off.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    My new issue that has been coming up randomly is that my trane furnace (xc80). Has been kicking into the higher speed mode but not sure why this is happening.


    Sounds a little like error code hell to me. Something I learned nearly 10 years ago with communicating systems. It's an interesting story but not much fun IMHO.


    I know this is primarily where everything is headed with nearly every US manufacturer all they do is copy one another with their proprietary signal garbage.


    Hector, Is there a way for you to figure out what the "device event is" or the "device that is triggering this rhetoric over and over"? My guess is probably not and that you need a skilled person there diagnosing it in person. Given the age of this system (less than a year old) it's a job for the installing contractor to figure out & to fix. But if you can find out what device is causing, this can only help find the problem.


    They said it was hard to stop a Trane, yet recently in the news a real one was derailed dumping toxic crap everywhere. I guess stopping isn't your problem right now or it's signaling an upcoming "derail event"?


    Not what I would call comforting for a system that is less than a half year old. Not such a great deal now. If I've seen that once, I've seen it a thousand times. Good luck I hope your contractor figures it out... because this will be your path forward every time it acts up.


    Keep us posted with developments as it makes for a good story of what not to do. Helping others.


    I service the Katy, Texas area. (not for you, but others who may not read the whole thread)


    Things are changing in HVAC in the near future I lay out the R410a phase down time line and upcoming equipment ban in chronological order and more click here to see the fun headed your way for home comfort solutions of the near future.

  • 3 years ago

    @austin air companie  hi!!! So after getting the thermostat replaced, everything started working the way its supposed to work! I took the temperature in each room and they all are within 2 degree range of the thermostat. Let's hope this continues. So far it's been about two months and I have been very happy.

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    3 years ago

    Hector, What has the weather been like outside?


    It's been cooler here in my neck of the woods. A half broken Ac could work in weather like this. I know the desert heats up first so my post may mean nothing or in a month more may mean something more? HVAC is quite the psychological game.


    I get far fewer complaints in mild weather, than I do when it's hotter than hell. Last year was a scorcher so following statistics we typically have a cooler summer after a record beater like last year.


    Not to sound like an antagonist, but just call me a skeptic. Two months is a pretty good stint, but until you make the whole summer (in a desert) --- I'd be cautiously optimistic at best.