Wow Jackie, you have an enigmatic treasure.

Looks a bit like Ellie Beauvelain at her lightest.

Thank you, berrypie - 'Ellie Beauvelain' is one of the "Dijon teas", and I agree that some pictures of it look like my rose. However, some of the pink pictures are way way darker than mine gets, either in shade or in full sun. Definitely related, however. Who knows? I was told there were dozens of this type of rose introduced. I am not so interested in identifying mine, but in getting it to produce those lovely big, luscious blooms, and repeat.

Jackie

No idea what it is, sorry, but what a beautiful rose @jacqueline9CA!!

Thanks, seasiderooftop. Yes, I think it is very beautiful, at least the once bloomer one growing inside of the hedge is.

In case anyone thinks I might have mixed up the ones I rooted with some other rose, when I dug up the one I planted near the tea roses, the part of it way down near the ground, in full shade because the tea roses had eaten the bush, had produced one of these gorgeous, large, buff blooms. Now I just have to figure out how to get the entire bush to do that, and repeat!

Jackie

What are you going to name it ?

I can't see the entire thread unless I post a comment - is anyone else having this problem?

I honestly think those are two different roses. The large plant in the bottom photo displays obvious Wichurana traits (think 'Awakening'), and the peachy rose is clearly a Tea type. The glossy, small foliage and clusters of 8 and 10 blooms on the plant shown in the last photo are not Tea characteristics. Yes, I realize you are certain that these two plants came from the same rose, but I suspect you'll eventually discover the pink rose is a different variety.

Oh Goodie! It is getting MORE interesting! I always thought the one I had growing next to two tea roses was Awakening, but I did not ever purchase that rose, or have it or New Dawn growing in my garden. The old one growing in the hedge has always only had ONE cane coming out of the ground, so I don't see how it could be two roses, unless it somehow sported? Anyway, here is a photo of the one I am now growing in our new garden when we had just planted it there, after pruning it and rescuing it from underneath the tea roses, if it helps:

Jackie

Jackie

Of course the photo did not post - trying again:

Jackie

As the plant of it we have put into our new garden is finally putting out new growth (after being moved twice), it appears it will survive. It is currently planted where it gets morning sun, but afternoon light shade from trees. Lots of options are possible - I did think of rootstock, but I crawled underneath the hedge to look at the original one (still going) , and it still has only one cane.

Then, I looked at all of the photos of Awakening on HMF. Some of the very large, very double, but still pink blooms do look similar to the form of the blooms on my "plant in the hedge", but none of them were that buff color. As I said, when planted in full CA sun, the blooms are very small. If it is Awakening or some closely related rose, could the buff color be a result of the dense shade it is growing in? Who knows. Also, my DH's ancestors, although they planted lots of roses all over the garden, did not go out of their way to buy rare or endangered ones, they just bought what was currently available, and "in fashion". Since they started planting roses in 1905, some of them have turned out to be very rare indeed, and from the late 19th century. From where the original rose is growing (no one would plant a rose inside of a hedge, or underneath an ornamental crab apple tree!), we think the original rose is at least 90-100 years old at the youngest. Of course, when it was planted it might have been New Dawn, or even Dr. W. Van Fleet, and then sported! So many questions, I don't expect answers, but I find it fun to speculate.

My plan is to wait (I always say "patience is a virtue" but the reason I say that is because I don't have very much!), and see what the baby one does next Spring, and whether it repeats after that or not. I will also try and root some more cuttings from the original, and see if they are a different rose - keeping open to all possibilities.

Jackie