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Anyone grow Old Roses like this?

I watched this episode of Gardner’s World here in the UK early in the year. This lady has this gorgeous garden and what I loved is that she grows old roses on large dome obelisks. She says the old varities are very wild and good for growing this way. I have put some pictures below. The pictures are all of the same rose. Any idea which old rose this could be? Would all those canes on each obelisk come from one old rose or multiple?








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  • 3 years ago

    Ooh I remember that episode, she had a fabulous garden. Did she not say the variety, though? I'll have to rewatch.

  • 3 years ago

    No she didn’t. I rewatched. She just says all her roses are old roses. On those large obelisks they look phenomenal since you can train so many horizontally and get blooms on all the buds. Yeh such an incredible garden. She plans it out incredibly meticulously with blue prints! It’s the second episode from 2022 6mins in.

  • 3 years ago
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    I'm not certain, but I wonder if it could be Charles de Mills. I believe each obelisk would be for one rose.

  • 3 years ago

    Incredible!!

  • 3 years ago

    Not sure what that rose is, but its definitely not 'Charles de Mills' - wrong bloom form. Chuck ain't ever a deep cupped form.

    Without knowing if its a once-bloomer, or a remontant, its difficult to hazard a meaningful guess about its ID.

  • 3 years ago

    I think it's 'Gipsy Boy' / 'Zigeunerknabe' and it's a group of 3 together.


    The lady lives in Kent, England, close to Sissinghurst Gardens, where they have the same rose trained in the same way. I expect she copied the idea from them.

  • 3 years ago

    Alfie, it's a stunning rose and what a wonderful idea for growing it. I'm a huge fan of Gypsy Boy, so I hope that's the one. Now if I could just force my out of control Colette to grow over one of these "tuteurs". This gardener's love of detail in planning this all out is incredible, but not for me. That's interesting about Sissinghurst, Marlorena. Does anyone have photos? Diane

  • 3 years ago

    @Marlorena a very keen eye you have. From looking up Gipsy Boy I really think you’re right. What are your thoughts on this rose? Thanks

  • 3 years ago

    I think pegging looks like too much work long term. It could be fun for a season.

  • 3 years ago

    I had a Mme isaac Pierre that looked like that.

  • 3 years ago
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    A while ago, I saved an article on a similar topic. https://www.gardensillustrated.com/garden-design/training-roses-sculptures/

    Is this the same lady perhaps?

  • 3 years ago

    Marlorena, I'm so glad to see you here. I had looked for your name and am happy that you're still posting on the rose forums. You always had the most spectacular garden.

  • 3 years ago

    That could indeed by 'Gipsy Boy'. Good guess, folks!

  • 3 years ago

    @Alfie (North London, UK)

    I can confirm that is 'Gipsy Boy' [name as sold in UK].. she [Carol Bruce] posted an image of it on her facebook page with the name. I haven't grown it myself, I've only seen it in gardens.


    Jenny Barnes is the lady on the Gardens Illustrated link, who pioneered this type of rose training, which is now being much copied - all too complicated for me at my age but younger generation may like to try..


    @ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

    Oh hi Ingrid, lovely to see you too !.. and other familiar friends.. it's been a long time for me as well, health issues getting in the way like it does for many of us..


    Keep well everyone..



  • 3 years ago
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    Jenny Barnes has an instagram account in which she shows her amazing work. She is the head gardener at Cottesbrook Hall Gardens in Northhampton. She used to be at Cotswoldgarden and did some amazing work there also. I have really enjoyed seeing the amazing sculptures she can build. Pegging needs to be redone every year in my experience to look nice so it is kind of high maintenance.

    niff_barnes (is her instagram)


    edit: not sure if she is the lady from the original post of not, but it is a treat to look through her work.

  • 3 years ago

    Hi Alfie....I tried this technique with 'Gloire Lyonnaise' this year and it was great fun! I liked it in part because it looked like a sculpture in the garden from January until it leafed out...so it gave a lot of winter interest. It was very easy to do, too! (In part because 'Gloire Lyonnaise' is very flexible and not too thorny).


    We made it out of willow branches we cut from a wetlands next to our garden. We pushed them into the ground, then tied them together where they overlapped. It stayed very sturdy all season:




    Then we bent the canes over and tied them down. We used raffia covered wire.





  • 3 years ago

    And here it is in June:





    As the season progressed, the rose grew like gangbusters and threw out large canes which needed to be pruned or pegged...but because we were busy, we didn't do that...so it looked a little bit wild. I don't have a picture of that! :)


    I would love to try this on other roses in my garden this spring!

  • 3 years ago

    @Rosylady (PNW zone 8) that rose pegging looks incredible. I must try it. How many rose plants did you use per structure? Also, if I were to buy the roses for it as bares roots how long does it take to get enough long canes to do this? Thanks

  • 3 years ago

    Thank you! There is one rose on the structure...it was from Rogue Valley roses, so a band size plant. It took one season to grow big enough to train like this. Most of the old roses I have would be ready after one or two seasons.

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