I own the Miele and have had it for over a year now. I absolutely love it and no, there is not a whistling fan, I promise! It’s such an incredible machine. Good luck with your search!

Sher H Do you use the steam function at all? If so, does this add to how much you love the oven? I ask as we would be unable to plumb a line (just edited the inital post as I heard of this function.)

We used it for about 8 months without the steam function and I honestly rarely use the function now. But no, I loved it just as much without the steam function, so I’d absolutely still buy it, even if I wasnt using that feature. It’s just that amazing.

That's really comforting to hear. What were the other ranges you were considering before choosing the Miele?

I believe Fisher & Paykel makes one within your budget.

sarahachevalier I think you may be right, but are they better?

Yes, we also considered the F&P and the Bertazzoni. I definitely liked the pricepoint of those over the Miele, but I decided to splurge and get what I really wanted. Our locally owned, independent, appliance store advised us against Wolf because of the repair issues. We would have seriously considered the Bosch had it been an option this time last year, but it’s a new model for 2022. Friends of ours have the gas version of that Bosch range and absolutely love it.

A lot of it comes down to your budget and what you plan to use the range for. We’re avid cooks and bakers and use it multiple times a day. We have other Miele appliances that have been tried and true for us, so we’re comfortable with the brand, and felt as though it was worth the high expense. It’s a very personal descision. I have a cheaper $2K-ish fridge because that’s not where I wanted to extend our budget (it’s built in around cabinets, so I went for function over name brand as it blends into the background). Again, personal decision on where you prefer to spend your budget.

Got a question. How will you clean under the stove since it's raised on legs?

Does the Bosch have individual hob timers? My Bosch cooktop does. Do the other two have individual hob timers? It's a great feature. Means never over or undercooking things like rice or oatmeal, for example. I just set the timer and when it's done, the hob shuts off.

cpartist I have a microfiber pad mop by bona that can fit in really tight spaces, so that won't be too much of an issue.

As for the hobs... yup, it looks like the Miele has a time for the cooktop. Although I don't see if it's individual, I'd be surprised if it isn't.

“How will you clean under the stove since it's raised on legs?”

Some vacuum cleaner brands make a long attachment for under-the-range-washing machine-fridge-bed, etc. Or there are aftermarket vacuum attachments you can buy. There is also the Oxo under-appliance duster which is excellent.

Is it bad if i get my spouse an under appliance duster for christmas??

the miele should have seperate hob timers - the cooktop does. i absolutely love our miele cooktop! but we did the 36” cooktop with drawers underneath and a cheaper whirlpool wall oven (under counter as did not have room for double oven).

@Dimitri Katsaros

Last time I checked, the latest iteration of the Miele induction range (HR1622-3) does not have timers that control the hobs/burners of the stove top. Here's a link to the User Manual: https://media.miele.com/downloads/c0/2e/05_F6154D09FD151EDD92AB3F174F28C02E.pdf.

Jwvideo If you look at page 28, it mentions a timer function under controls for the range and mentions boiling eggs… so I take that to mean hobs as one does not ordinarily boil eggs in the oven. (Not being snarky… just complete in case the manual’s translation from German is a bit off)

We've had our 30" Wolf induction range since May 2022 and so far it's performed flawlessly. We have a gen 7000 Miele W&D as well as a gen 7000 Miele DW, but went with Wolf IR when we replaced our 16 yo Wolf DF range.

Julie K what led you to go with Wolf vs sticking with Miele? I have no doubt yours performs well, but right now, I have the choice of getting the Miele installed in a week or so vs the Wolf in late July/August. Is it just that much better or did you luck out on availability?

I played with both the Miele and Wolf units in the showroom and took my favorite pots to test performance, interface, etc. I preferred the Wolf to the Miele so went with Wolf. 

Also I've been very impressed with the customer service/support with Wolf/SZ the few times I've experienced issues with my Wolf/SZ. If you do a search you'll find my post on the horrendous customer support I received from Miele when I tried to register my 5 yr warranty for my brand new Miele DW.

We ordered our range in September 2022 and it was installed in May 2023. FYI, the app for the range is very buggy and pretty much worthless. 

If you need something to use in the interim, I suggest getting a single induction hub and the Wolf countertop oven which we absolutely love! Offtopic but we also love our Wolf coffee maker!! 🤣

Yeah, that’s what we’re doing now since our Bertazzoni fiasco. Feels a bit too much like camping and we don’t know how we’d deal with eight months of that.

Forgot to mention we have a 7 yo SZ fridge and a 1 yo SZ designer under counter fridge. The SZ  replaced a 23 yo SZ that came with our house. We replaced it with a newer model of the same fridge.

Like many Houzzers we try to purchase best in class and tend to be brand agnostic. 😆

same for me… sorry to hear about the warranty mess with Miele. Only thing I might have done differently would be to confirm registration a week later given the odd circumstances. (I never trust level one phone reps for anything.) we too have an SZ fridge freezer (BI-36UFD/S/PH), but I really hated the wait and vowed never to wait that length again unless I had a partially working unit that I was merely upgrading. That would have been the case this time around, but we replaced our range with a Bertazzoni and the old unit was hauled away…. Only to realize our choice turned into a total disaster.

Within your budget are two others, Bosch 'industrial' with knobs HIS8055U, Electrolux with knobs ECFI3068AS. Both are new in the US.

Following up on the burner timer, I think page 28 is talking about setting alarms and timers to signal when time is up. I see no no mention in the manual of the timer shutting off any of the stovetop burners when time runs out.

The reason I'm suggesting caution about the feature is: (a) past threads here on the previous iterations of the Miele induction range confirmed that there were no burner timers like those on Miele's cooktops; and (b) the manuals for the cooktops with timer-controlled burners have a specific section with a caption like "Setting the timer to turn off a burner automatically."

If having burner-timer control will be important to your choice, might be best to visit a Miele Experience Center if one is anywhere near you or maybe try calling one (or even maybe try calling Miele customer support) to see if they can confirm one way or the other.

Damn… not really a big deal, but not only would it have been nice it would have been entirely possible.

Julie K I have yet to see a major appliance app that's not utter crap. My Lutron app for lights and the ecobee app for thermostat, Midea Air for portable AC, ioCare for Coway air filter, sure... but nothing mind-blowing. Even the Subzero fridge app does nothing that the display on the inside won't do.

I could be wrong, but I think Bosch eliminated their automatic cook-timed hobs too on their newer models. I wonder if there was some sort of safety issue with the feature? Such as users thinking that they set the cook-timed hob and they instead set the kitchen timer and then walked away from the stove thinking the stove would automatically shut off. It's a shame if that was true because I really love the cook-timed hobs that I have on my Bosch!

@theresa21: You are correct about the new Bosch "Industrial" induction ranges lacking "cook timed hobbs." I like the timer control on my induction cooktop, too, and would miss it if I had to buy an induction range without it.

I'm thinking the lack of them on the Bosch Industrial ranges is likely an engineering trade-off for having a "knob-control" user interface for the burners. AKAIK, none of the readily available knob-interface induction stoves (including those by GE, LG, VIking, and Samsung) have timer controlled burners.

Seems to me that the cooktops with it and the ranges with timer-controlled burners (like the Bosch 800 or Benchmark series range which you have), all have touchpad controls. On their burner control touchpads, there is plenty of room to add burner-timer buttons that will be easy for a home cook to see and use. Where do you put such controls when your burners have knob-interfaces? Add another touchpad? On the touchpad for the oven? Seems to me that trying to shoehorn such functions onto the already smallish and somewhat cluttered oven-control touchpads would make for difficulties with usability as well as with manufacturing.

I've read on other online forums that some manufacturers have been tinkering with using phone apps to add the functionality via wireless and Bluetooth. The GE Profile PHS93XYPFS, for example, offers a temperature setting control for the largest burner as well as a separate phone-app-based remote temperature and timer control as a so-called sous-vide add-on. However, that range uses touchpad sliders to control burners and there are drawbacks to the sous-vide accessory. which include: the app function only works with one burner; there is a limited temperature range; the add on wireless in-pot device is an additional purchase; and you can't use it in a lidded pot (say, when making rice or braising or using a pressure cooker.) Personally, druther not have to use my phone while trying to cook.

Plus, going back to Dimitri's OP which posited a hope for something approaching BIFL quality, one suspects that the GE is unlikely to be that.

@jwvideo I think Bosch got rid of Cook-time feature on the Benchmark range. I no longer see it on the digital controls. It's not on the 800 either.

You're right. FWIW, can further confirm the absence by noting that the user guides for the latest models of the slide-in induction ranges ( e.g., HII8057u) no longer mention cook time control for the burners of either model.

Just want to say that my experience with a low-end USA induction range has been so good - a Frigidaire - that I cannot imagine you will be disappointed in your choice. If performance is this good on the low-end, how can you go wrong (outside of reliability and service). As long as you have the burner setup that fits you; i.e., if you absolutely need one hi output burner for your cooking style, you should compare that across brands. A friend just got the Fisher and Paykel mentioned above and loves it. Looks great to me.

We have had the Miele for a few years and really like it. Induction top is great and the oven is a dream

a few points

• it isnt a steam oven in the true sense. It adds sprays of water is assist in baking bread amd rendering fat on roasts. It doesnt steam food. If you cant add a water line it is no biggie
• the oven is the star of the show. Great results. The meat temp probe is very accurate and we use it all the time. There are quite a few programs that you may or not use. We use a few but not all
• Fan doesnt make any noise

delray33483 and Sher H .... or for anyone else who can answer. If a water line is not hooked up and a MasterChef or MasterChef Plus program is chosen (that uses steam), is it "smart" enough to warn me or do I need to be on the lookout?

To all that have helped me with my decision: THANK YOU!

I just had the HR1622-3 installed and it is so crazy quiet! I'll give an update in the future as I use it.

@Dimitri Katsaros Do you have any feedback on the Miele yet? Is the app useful at all, or is it required for any fuctions? I can going through a similar hate my current range drama and learning toward Miele.

legaleagle2012 I am absolutely loving my Miele! Fan is quiet, cooktop seems to work with more pans than the Bertazzoni. Phone app is only really useful if you cannot hear the oven's alert from another part of your house.

Some tips:

1. Be careful opening the oven door after your dish/meal is done. Hot blast of steam sometimes blasts out instead of a dry heat (and I don't even have the water line installed yet!)

2. If you want to keep the glass cooktop pristine and scratch free, invest in a few Silpat silicone mats that match the size of each "burner." They make cleanup a breeze, no scratches, and give a visual to where the active areas are (outlines are etchings on black glass and if you have dim lighting, can be barely visible.)

Thanks for the feedback and glad to know you love it. Does the largest burner actually heat out the edges? We are long time induction people - ended up with a kitchenaid a year ago after our beloved 10 year old GE died from a power surge. We hate it, one of the issues is the largest burner, while powerful enough, is much smaller than the circle so my large le creuset does not heat all the way to the edges. We adore our Miele dw so inclined towards Miele anyway :)

legaleagle2012 I haven't noticed any spot burning, so I'm inclined to say it does just fine. One thing that's kinda neat about the burners is that if they sense that your pan is smaller than the total area, it will shut down the outer segments to save power (as indicated by the single lines inside the circle). As far as power surge death, I would highly recommend getting a whole house surge protector (if you own your own home). The one I got is the Eaton CHSPT2ULTRA along with a flushmount kit to neaten things up (mine was the Cutler Hammer CHSPFMKIT). Between install and costs on Amazon, it will cost a few hundred, but that's nothing compared to a few thousand. Plus it protects everything in your house, so I look at it as cheap insurance.

The other thing you can try if you still find the Le Creuset isn't heating all the way is to preheat more gently (in case you are going straight to boost mode currently). Then the heat will conduct throughout.

Yes, we have a whole house surge protector now! Fortunately we already had the individual appliance surge protectors on the fridge and OTR microwave already (both tripped) so we’re not also dealing with replacing those.

That’s nice to know about the Miele. For current kitchenaid the element is just too small - I experimented with various preheating speeds and did the flour test on low and it just isn’t big enough to heat a 11” base cast iron to the edges. We’ve had induction for 11 years so lots of experience with the technology. Trying to track down a local place to try the Miele in person (taking along with some of my favorite pots and pans!) to make sure it’s worth it, but it does look like it :)