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twice grafted tree???

its at the library ... it looks like a crabapple...


i may have asked about this phenomenon years ago.. but i forget if i ever got an answer ...


sure does look like a standard was grafted to roots .. and then the specimen above ... in theory.. it doesnt seem right.. so i question it here ...


there will be a pic of the berries.. which would be tiny crabs.. so that ID is suspect ... i did see some leaves under the tree.. but was not inclined to crawl under there ...


as before.. posting this on the laptop.. and will post the pix from the phone ...


ken


Comments (8)

  • 3 years ago









  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    In the absence of good close views of winter stem buds and other features looks so far to be a small-growing crabapple. One that is grafted onto a trunk of another kind. Roots do look like there is a separation between them and the trunk, as though the roots are a third variety. However their lumpiness implies deformity resulting from careless container culture (a pandemically prevalent practice). Or some other adversity. So maybe that is producing a misleading appearance. Otherwise - yes - there is a stock, an interstem and a scion all in one grafted combination. Such is not beyond the realm of existing practices by any means.

  • 3 years ago

    The pix enlarge when clicked. It’s a Malus.

  • 3 years ago

    I clicked to enlarge originally. Hence "looks so far to be a small-growing crabapple".

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    ok.. so a four foot mid section.. would have to be what... an inch think to support itself.. so what.. you have 5 to 8 years in growing that.. so you can graft it to a root mass big and old enough pump the requisite water ... and only then.. 3.. 5.. or 7 years later.. you can graft a few buds of the favored specimen atop it all ...

    seems like a lot of work for money later ... wonder how they stayed in business ...

    i have no clue how old the library is.. nor how long the tree has been there ... i did find a claim it was built in the 60s ... does this tree look a 60 years old???

    ken

  • 3 years ago

    My hort. tutor had an apple with summat like 17 different varieties using several different grafts. It was not a very attractive tree, for sure, but it was a great demonstration of resilience and adaptability. Yep, 60 years looks pretty feasible to me.

  • 3 years ago

    i miss my point i believe...


    someone had to grow a root mass for 3 to 5 years.. to accept a one inch 4 foot standard ... this process could easily take 5 to 7 years.. and thats all before grafting on the foo foo part .... thats is an high invest in in time .. effort and space ... you would have to sell a lot of them to feed the family ...


    ken

  • 3 years ago

    O,my tutor's tree was exactly that, Ken...a demonstration of endless meddling...certainly not as an ornamental or even fruitful cropper. For a while, I also fell under this spell (power-mad control freak)... there is evidence of this faffing all about my allotment. Unlikely to share pics of these unless I go in for some sort of public shaming/shrub massacre thread.

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