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Contractor painter vs independent?

3 years ago

Question is, should I have my contractors do the painting, or hire someone independently? (I can do a change order if I choose to use someone else.)


Context: I'm in the middle of a major renovation with a contractor. We've had a lot of serious issues with them, so that I feel I'm project managing, despite not being handy and having never done another renovation before. Here are just a few:

  • They put the framing for the front of the house onto the back (and back on the front) until I pointed it out that it was wrong and then they switched it around.
  • When I asked yesterday, for the second time, for details about the hot water heater, the contractor told me to just choose something at Home Depot that works for a house with the number of bathrooms I have, and I had to reply that our contract has THEM supplying the hot water heater so what hot water heater are THEY supplying me. They said they're now looking into it.
  • After asking me how I'd like my bathroom tiles laid and what grout I would like, they installed the tiles in a different pattern and used a much lighter grout colour than I wanted. When I said it wasn't what I asked for, they said if they had to re-do it, they'd have to break all the tiles and start over. Since we're so delayed, I've decided to live with it. (Kicking myself that I didn't put my request in writing and was merely speaking to the tiler in person, because the tiler later said he remembered me saying I wanted it the way he laid them. Argh.)
  • After primer, I got to the house and discovered no one had put down any drop cloths and there was primer dripped all over my (existing) hardwood floor.
  • etc., etc. I have many more stories

I believe there are advantages to having your contractor take responsibility for the paint because they get a good contractor discount for the paint, any defects would be covered by the 2-year warranty we get with the overall home (although I believe there are many, many exclusions).


However, I also think that if I were to hire someone independent, they may spot defects in the drywall/taping/trim, etc. that I may not spot on my own.


The independent person I'm thinking of is my handyman who cleans my eavestroughs and also has done a small exterior painting job (very well) for me a few years ago. He also does eavestroughs and other handyman work for many of the homes in our neighbourhood so I know he will always be around if I had any problems and wanted him to touch up something down the road. And I would have to supply the paint, but then I'd at least have confidence it's the paint I asked for.


On the "cons" side, he's just one guy, so may make slower progress than whatever team our contractor would use, especially if he feels the trim isn't in good shape and that the millwork needs caulking/sanding, etc. before he can proceed. I worry about this part because I feel the contractor may dig in their heels about cooperating with our painter if he feels the millwork isn't in good enough shape and they disagree and say some of that is our painter's responsibility and/or that they think it is good enough.


I am using independent folks to do my carpet (totally trust him since he did our basement carpet 12 years ago), kitchen installation (since our contractors don't do kitchen installation) and marmoleum kitchen floor (since our contractors don't have experience with Marmoleum). Each of these is a bit more complicated because I have to be the go-between between the contractor and independent supplier.


These are just the pros and cons I can think of. There are likely many more I haven't thought of.

What do you all think of whether I should proceed with my contractor for painting vs. not?

Comments (9)

  • 3 years ago

    If the contractor is going to bring in a sub to do the painting then you might be OK going with that option. It would be better if you knew who the sub was so you could check them out ahead of time. If he is just going to have some of his people paint I would think again. Is the painting included in the contract price? If you have someone else do the painting will you end up having to pay for it twice? My own experience is that when we had an addition put on our last house they were great framers - they tied in the old to the new seamlessly (they did remodeling almost exclusively so this was their area of expertise). However, the project was done during the last recession (2010). His sons were unemployed so they did the painting. As DH said, as painters, they were good framers. Painting isn't hard, but experience still helps and some people are better at it than others. Unfortunately your contractor doesn't sound like he's good at anything. The fact that they're slopping primer around doesn't bode well.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Usually, the general contractor subs out the painting to a painting specialist, so I don't necessarily see the value in hiring someone separately. Too, if you hire the painter, any mistakes are on you. If the GC hires the painter, they are responsible.


    I'd let the GC handle the painting and just be super clear about what paint colors, sheen, and brands you want on which walls. If you're working with a designer, have them put together a paint schedule for the GC so there are no misunderstandings and you have everything confirmed in writing.

  • 3 years ago

    Since you are already having problems with the contractor, not doing what is supposed to be done, and since your hardwood floors are all slopped up already with primer, it would be obvious, that a regular painter did not do the primer at your house. I would not want the same person, doing the painting. Before you decide, what to do, talk with the contractor, get the name of the painter, and check on him. If its just one or two or more of his crew people, then, I would hire a reputable painter. Contractors usually use builder grade paint, so you need to talk about that too, since that is probably not what you want.

  • 3 years ago

    I would not use contractor like this if you don’t have to. Also if you wait for SW discount 30% thats should start soon, it will be more that contractor discount. The only isue is he is one person, so it will take longer.

  • 3 years ago

    I'd choose slow quality. How many more times do you want the main contractor to fail you?

    We had a similar situation -- contractor initially did well, then lost his key person, and quality became horrendous. Ended up with DH telling the contractor not to come back, and not to expect us to pay the final installment. Best decision ever.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Hi, evelynsmom,

    Typically it works best to have the general contractor responsible for the entire scope of work. This minimizes the potential for finger pointing between trades, minimizes schedule issues, allows for a single point of "command and control," and makes one party responsible for the quality of the final product. That said, the skill and the level of care exercised by painting contractors varies significantly from the bottom to the top of the painting contractor food chain--even if everyone were using the same quality primer and paint.

    While a good painter can't make poor drywall and trim work look great, they'll certainly make it look better than the low-bid painter that I suspect your remodeling contractor will hire. I think you'll be happier with the end result if you take control of the painting scope of work.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Were I a GC, I can't imagine a worse scenario than having to coordinate work with a sub over which I had no control.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I hope he is really doing that and you get a beautiful paint job. Double check to make sure its the paint you want and not just plain contractor paint.

    evelynsmom thanked cat_ky