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Help 1 year old pebble shower floor, grout deteriorating, cracks, etc

3 years ago

How do you remove a sliced pebble shower floor without hurting the kerdi membrane below it?

Do you leave the mesh the pebbles came on and try to pull the pebbles off of the mesh?


I had a water test done before tiling began and now I am having cracks in the grout around the tiles and some of the grout seems to be disintegrating in places, leaving pockets of low places. To my surprise, one tile stuck to my foot the other day and came out of where it was originally placed. The underneath of this free tile has only one 1/8" spot of adhesive where it was supposedly stuck to the mesh it was meant to hold onto.


I notice now numerous cracks, and areas of missing grout that must have broken in tiny bits and disintegrated down the drain have gone unnoticed. Only along 3 corners do the pebbles look grouted to the top, and other areas obviously should have more grout.


The tile man applied Schluter system all around, before he arrived I applied Kerdi board to the walls with Kerdi fasteners, covered with Kerdi tape as they directed. A 3"x6" wall tile was installed and shows no issues. The pan is the Schluter foam pain for corner showers, the drain is Kerdi, the drain has the Kerdi membrane and extra strips as Kerdi instructs it to be done.


At this point, I'm contemplating removing the sliced pebbles, I'm worried about the pan, and I'm worried if the stones have pressed into the foam shower pan despite the Kerdi membrane as some responses to other posts note stones and foam pans are a no, no, no!


Pictures included, please know that we live by the water of the Chesapeake Bay and our home water is conditioned for rust, etc, but it still shows rust in toilets and in the shower floor grout. Also, some areas of the shower floor were still wet when I took pictures.


Scroll down for the tile that popped out yesterday stuck to my foot.


# ...Lastly, the tile guy doesn't want to come back and "fix" this, so I'll take that as a blessing.

Please advise, thank you,









Comments (12)

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    You don't remove it; you tile over it which is a TCNA approved method. No waterproofing risk.

  • 3 years ago

    Oh! If the pebbles have moved due to pressure (and an inferior grout job) when stood upon, I figured they may well be pushing a dent onto the foam Kerdi pan. That’s the only explanation I can think of to explain the grout spaces around most of the tiles and some grout crumbled and missing in small places.

    I thought to take the pebbles out and try to leave the mesh underneath the tiles, if that’s possible.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Pebbles are notoriously difficult and often the thinset only bonds to the mesh not to the pebble itself. It takes a really finicky installer to get them in well. Ugh I have no idea what to suggest now.

  • 3 years ago

    The edges of the shower appear to have none to minimal grout cracks. Areas we stand on when showering including by drain area, have cracked gout with a few areas that have crumbled away. Almost everywhere I look the grout is separated from the pebbles and much is crumbled. It does not seem to me that tiling over crumbling and cracked grout would be structurally successful. Feeling overwhelmed a bit.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "You are experiencing point loads and there is no fix."


    Mint:


    If larger tile were properly installed over these, there would no longer be a point load. That would be a fix. And a hell of a lot less expensive fix than a "3X MORE expensive" tear out.



  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Kind of A True story Joe. I am not seeing larger tiles are you!


    Reality is even then the bonding flange drain is already locked into mortar. no Way to raise it up properly to the new height of added tile w/o some kind of hacky cowboy move !

  • 3 years ago

    Thank you Mint, and Joseph for your honesty. I am grateful for help with this shower issue.


    I did hire only one tile installer to create the entire corner shower, walls, curb with granite, along with tiling the bathroom floor. He never mentioned anything about the stones being a problem and I actually had shown him different tiles I had on hand previously chosen for the shower floor. Yes, the installation is Schluter all the way with the foam pan and the bonded drain, membrane, etc. It appears the grout is cracked, crumbling and not hugging the stones, and most recently randomly missing in bits, in the area that one would stand on under the water spray. Outlying areas seem fine, as nobody stands there. So, knowing this I see how it could be the stones moving a bit into the foam pan. Ugh!


    Would those pebble sliced stones and their grout come up easily or is this a tear it out only fix? Also, if replacing the stones with porcelain on the same shower pan is not an option, which would be best for the rebuild... a mortar pan or dare I have a tile installer use a new Kerdi foam pan again with two-inch square tiles for example instead of stones?


    Disappointed, to say the least, and it took over two years to get anyone to do this work. For some reason, people just don't want to grab job opportunites and make some money here on the Eastern Shore of Virginia.

  • 2 months ago

    Hello: I have a new install with sliced pebbles on a kerdi pan which problems already. How did you resolve your problem? Thanks.

  • 2 months ago

    "Hello: I have a new install with sliced pebbles on a kerdi pan which problems already. How did you resolve your problem? Thanks."


    Unfortuntely only one true way to remedy, rip out and start over.

  • 2 months ago

    Thank you. That is what I'm seeing but I was hoping there was a better way.


    Are you an installer? or did you have this

    experience yourself?

  • 2 months ago
    last modified: 2 months ago

    " Are you an installer? or did you have this

    experience yourself?"


    Nope, just been in the construction supply business for 40 plus years.