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ADU Appliances help

3 years ago

Hi,


We are building an ADU so the caregiver can live there while taking care of an elderly parent. After that phase of life is over we might rent the unit out or use it as a pool house. It's a small one-bedroom 28'-8"x12'-2" space. It has a 12' linear kitchen in the living area and I have to pick out the appliances for the tiny space. I do not want to overspend on high-end appliances as people may not take good care of them like me (I have Wolfe and Miele inside the main house). At the same time, I do not want to get bad appliances just because they are cheap.


I just did my first day out shopping/browsing and here is what I have from two stores one said GE the other said LG: (AjMaddison website lists all these if you need to look it up by model number)


Ref:

GE GTE18GMN 17.5 Cu Ft. Top-freezer or

Haier HRB15N3BGS 15 Cu.Ft. Bottom freezer refrigerator or

LG 20cu.ft. LTCS20020S


Oven:

GE JS760BP 30" Slide-In Electric Range or

GE 30" JB655DK Free-standing Electric Range OR


LG LSEL6331F Slide-In

LG LREL6323_ Free standing


Microwave:

GE 1.6 cu. ft. JVM316ORF/EF Over the range

LG 2 cu.ft. MVEL2033_


18" Dishwasher:

GE PDT145SGL (47dBA) or

Bosch 18" 800 Series (44dBa)

Bosch 300 Series (46dBa)


Sink:

Franke Cube CUX11025 (under-mount so don't want issues later as it will be hard to change it). I looked online at Costco Kraus


Laundry:

LG Wash Tower with center control WKEX200H_A/WKGX201H_A or

the older model WKE100HXA


Here are the plans for a reference:


12' Kitchen area:





Please advise.

Thanks






Comments (24)

  • 3 years ago

    @Kilroy - I won't have an oven then? (under the cooktop?)

  • 3 years ago

    If you want to make this marketable as a rental, I think you need to have a range, even if it is a small one. Go to Yale Appliances Learning Center. It is a great store out of Boston. I live nowhere near them but use their guides to research appliances all the time. They have great assessments of what breaks, works, needs repair. I'd go for the least complicated, least likely to need service brands you can find.


    I can vouch for Bosch dishwashers as reliable work horses. I am getting an LG washtower delivered this week after much research and hope I made the correct choice. I've had two Franke sinks and they've worked great. Just bought a new one too. So compare and contrast GE and LG for fridge and range and then you are done!

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  • 3 years ago

    Sorry, @Kendrah for the late thank you - was sick for a few days. Will look at Yale Appliances Learning Center - let me know how the LG tower works out!! Did you get the new model or last year's model?


    Yes after my MIL we plan to rent it out as a one-bedroom place. Thank you for your input



  • 3 years ago
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    Costco has an OXO 2 frying pan set with 10 and 12 inch non-stick in the induction compatible new version of the Americas Test Kitchen best non-stick test winner. I vouch for them. $40. IKEA has a 24" frig with bottom freezer that can be integrated. SUPERKALL Built-in refrigerator, 8.8 cu.ft - IKEA A Frigidaire slide-in induction range is often recommended. Good quality for a reasonable price. IKEA cabinets with drawer lowers should work. Vedhamn is European Oak produced in Hungary.



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  • 3 years ago

    @wdccruise -- Thank you for the recommendations from Consumer Report - trying to lessen the cost going electric vs. induction (I have gas and induction in my personal homes which I love)


    I think for the LG Tower (Turbo wash and steam are a bonus) so maybe the older model will do....


    @dan1888 - need to make a trip to IKEA


    Since it's a linear kitchen want to make sure the appliances match in their stainless steel look (I usually don't go that route and I have bought appliances based what is good in each category in my home)


    Thank you so much for taking the time to help out in such detail


  • 3 years ago
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  • 3 years ago
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    The Frigidaire slide-in is one of the lowest priced units that has been recommended on these forums. Electrolux makes Frigidaire. Frigidaire FGIH3047VF 30 Inch Induction Range with 4 Induction Zones, 5.4 Cu. Ft. Capacity True Convection Oven, Storage Drawer, Self Clean with Steam, Ceramic Glass Cooktop, Air Fry, Auto Sizing Pan Detection, ADA Compliant, and Star-K® Certified (ajmadison.com) $1700. A Ceran radiant range has the worst performance imaginable. Get one of the many on Facebook Marketplace hardly used for $500 or less.

    A 24" sinkbase will take a 24" single bowl sink. Those are 21" interior width.

    IKEA has a 36" wide 3 drawer base unit good for storage next to the range.

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  • 3 years ago

    Wow!! Thank you! @wdccruise and @dan1888

    I went appliance shopping over the President's weekend and came back with a list and felt very accomplished(ha ha) ....but looks like I have to go back to check the appliances you have listed....

    The appliance store guys said no to LG and Samsung saying their service is not good....but GE they can call the rep for me easily and GE has been around for years was their logic!


    I will go back to check out your recommendations but I will share my list anyway:




    Kitchen appliances:


    Sink: 30" cabinet size - undermount.

    Franke Grande Series GDX11028 (bigger than Franke Cube) ($512.20)

    Franke Cube sink CUX11025 ($501.80)


    Laundry: LG Wash Tower WKE100HVA ($1798) sticking with the older model forgoing the Turbo and steam wash


    Refrigerator: need to slide into a 30" hole- both are GE 28"

    GTE18GSNRSS $893

    GTS18HYNRFS $693


    Range/oven: slide in 30" hole GE electric with convection and air fryer (didn't care for one but came with it)

    JS760SPSS $1192


    Dishwasher: 18" (have to keep it at 18" because the contractor said later on you can add a door and connect to the main house once MIl is no longer with us and if we don't rent it out.

    Bosch 300 Series 46dBA $1049

    Bosch 800 series 44dBA $1249

    GE PDT145SSLSS $748 47DBA - the rest of the 18" the dBA was higher this was the cosest to the Bosch)


    Bosch has 5 cycles and GE has 3 cycles - I have a Miele at home and over the years only used ONE cycle of Normal wash and maybe a "Rinse and Hold" once just to try and a "Quick wash" ONCE so was thinking maybe for the 47dBA and the price GE wasn't all that bad!


    Microwave: 30" vented

    JVM3160RFSS ($229) Just stuck to GE as it was going over the range - it had a light to shine on the cooking area but was only 300CFM - wanted a 400CFM but....was more thinking range and microwave from the same company was a good match.


    About $5000 price range for the appliances.


    Will go back and take a look at what you sent....Thank you so much for taking the time in helping out!!







  • 3 years ago

    There's not enough space for food preparation, only 18" max. Shrink the refrigerator and sink cabinet to 24" to allow 30" for food prep between the sink and range. (I have 18" of counter space on either side of my range but never prep food there.)


    "The appliance store guys said no to LG and Samsung saying their service is not good."

    Do they sell those brands?


    "was more thinking range and microwave from the same company was a good match."

    If they're both stainless steel it doesn't matter (I have LG range and GE micro). Whirlpool WMH53521HZ is 400cfm and has a light.*

    -----

    *It's on sale for $318 at Home Depot (DC). I'd order one now even if you don't need it right away.

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  • 3 years ago

    Yes, the appliance guys sell LG, Samsung, and all the major brands, Just told me their experience,


    I can try for a smaller sink cabinet - will talk to my contractor - wonder how the uppers will measure up and line up.... but the refrigerator will stay at 30" I think because of a future door to the main house.


    I will go ask for 400CFM option and not stick with the same brand issue for the range and microwave oven.


    Thanks


  • 3 years ago
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    "I can try for a smaller sink cabinet - will talk to my contractor - wonder how the uppers will measure up and line up"

    I don't know what cabinet system you're using but IKEA Sektion offers 24" base and wall cabinets each fitted with 12" doors. (I made all the wall cabinets the same height except those over the refrigerator and microwave to avoid the up-and-down look. The resulting sleeker look could be important as your kitchen will be fully exposed to the living room.)

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  • 3 years ago
    1. Twenty-four inches is still too narrow a prep space countertop. Swap the sink and dishwasher to increase the useful countertop width by 18".
    2. Substitute a "workstation" sink that can hold a cutting board (e.g., Krause KWU111-23, KWU111-21).
    3. I often load and unload (from oven) sheet pans on top of the range. I can do that because the induction cooktop is always cool even after use. A radiant cooktop stays hot.
    4. There's no space allocated for cooking equipment. Put three full-width drawers, one shallow and two deep (example), in the cabinet between the sink and range for kitchen tools, and pots and pans and bowls, respectively.
    5. Put sheet pans in the range drawer.
    6. Put the trash can under the sink.
    7. Outfit the 18" cabinet to the right of the range with drawers for utensils, serving pieces, place mats, etc.
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  • 3 years ago
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    The contractor is building the cabinets - he has a guy. I see a mistake in my hand drawing - but all upper cabinets are 42" but the cabinets at the sink, microwave, and refrigerator will be at different heights.


    If I go 24" sink cabinet - want to see how the 6" gets distributed with the Trash/Dishwasher and the upper cabinets to look nice a symmetrical. Will revert back once I talk to him but meanwhile, I will also see if there are accessory boards that Franke sells that will sit on the sink to get the extra counter space as needed!

  • 3 years ago
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    "...but the cabinets at the sink, microwave, and refrigerator will be at different heights."

    Right but it would look sleeker (better) if the wall cabinet above the sink wasn't.

    "I will also see if there are accessory boards that Franke sells that will sit on the sink..."

    Workstation sinks typically have a ridge inside the bowl that supports the accessories.

  • 3 years ago



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  • 3 years ago
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    WOW! @wdccruise you ROCK!!! This is VERY VERY VERY helpful.

    I like the configuration with the ref/dishwasher next to each other than the sink in the corner. This also gives a landing space for the refrigerator and you won't elbow into the wall when washing dishes!! (Do you like the one you marked up with sink next to ref.?)

    So the 12' space is divided as: 30" Ref/18" dishwasher/ 24" sink/24" counter/30"range/18"counter right?

    So you removed the trash pull out right? Are just thinking of a trash can under the sink?

    Just one question - I know the uppers look very nice with no breaks but when washing dishes won't we hit our head if the cabinets are not shorter than 42"?

  • 3 years ago
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    • I put the sink next to the refrigerator so the countertop between the sink and range could be 42" wide instead of 24" which I think is too narrow (and I only cook simple stuff). You could put a cutting board or piece of wood on top of the sink when unloading into the refrigerator.
    • I have a trash can elsewhere because I have a deep, slide-out tray under the sink on which I put a lot of cleaning stuff. A trash can certainly could have gone there.
    • All my wall cabinets are the same height -- as in the drawing. The bottom of the cabinets are about 50" above the floor. I don't have any problem using the sink. But you could move the sink forward by using a farmhouse sink (examples: Kingston Brass KUF212110BN, Kohler K-5665).
    • My garbage disposal switch is somewhat inconveniently on the backsplash behind the sink; I wouldn't put it there, maybe on the front of the sink cabinet instead.
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  • 3 years ago

    Sorry didn't see this until today - didn't realize that your comments go up top as I made your answer a "Featured answer" - Thank you for your input - well 24" is a big improvement from 18" - I feel washing dishes might elbow the wall with the sink in the corner so....


    The sink can move forward some and in my current house I do have the 42" cabinets in the laundry room with a sink right under - and found that it works just fine! So you are correct - it shouldn't be a problem (and it helps that I'm short too!!)


    Garbage switch I plan to put it under the cabinet next to the sink or right above it.

  • 3 years ago

    "I feel washing dishes might elbow the wall with the sink in the corner so..."

    Isn't the refrigerator, not a wall, next to the sink? But fyi: my sink is in a 24" cabinet adjacent to a wall and I don't elbow the wall.

  • 3 years ago

    Next to the refrigerator will be a full-height counter depth panel like you suggested. So it will be a white wood panel like the white cabinets I think.


    Looks like you speak from experience - you don't elbow into the wall - will think about it....Thanks again!

  • 3 years ago

    "Next to the refrigerator will be a full-height counter depth panel like you suggested."

    Right and since it's only counter-depth your elbow could extend beyond it. It's not like having a wall there.


    You may want to look into one of these microwave ovens. They're low-profile, but are deeper than most ovens so they cover more of the range's cooktop (like a real hood might).

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  • 3 years ago

    I saw these and didn't like the "tiny" hole (ha ha) - so sticking with your original suggestion of 400CFM