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Thoughts on this wonky wall?

3 years ago

Hi All,


I've been working with contractors for two weeks on a bathroom renovation. The relationship with my contractors is not what I wish it was. I now have a wonky tile wall and I appreciate advice on whether I'm overreacting, or if not, any suggestions for making it less obvious.


The old tile stopped under the shower head. At the contractor's suggestion, I took the new tile up to the ceiling. After the contractors demoed the bathtub and tile surround, their "paint guy" installed new foam board, among other things. I had a half-dozen issues when he was done and we compromised on most of them but I stood my ground over the fact that the new corner where the sides of the foamboard met did not align with the old untiled corner above - it was off about 1/2 inch. They tried to convince me the tiler would make up for it with mortar but I insisted they replace the foamboard on the shower head wall so the corners aligned. It looked right to the naked eye when they were done but once the tiler had tiled up that far, I could see that the long wall becomes wider where the foamboard meets the old wall. Maybe the foamboard is thicker than the 50-year-old cement board was? I didn't say anything because 1) the tile guy was half done, and 2) I was hoping it would look less obvious once grouted. Today was grout day. Not good. Had I planned for the wall size changing, I would have put the stripe anywhere else because I'm sure it would have been less obvious if it was happening on the white subway tile. And I'm rather peeved that the tile guy cut that piece at an angle to make it fit without saying anything to me (English is not his first language, he says virtually nothing to me, and even though I've been working from home this whole time, he doesn't tell me when he's leaving.)


Does it look as bad as I think? I can't think of any way the contractors can address it other than cheating with a thicker grout line, and that's still going to look like they're covering up a mistake, right? I apologize that the pictures are a little dark - still no light in the room. I included a picture of the opposite wall because I don't think that wall is plumb either, although it's closer (that wall didn't exist before, btw). Grout will be light gray (Mapei Frost) but it's still wet. Appreciate your thoughts (and sympathy?)











Comments (16)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    " Maybe the foamboard is thicker than the 50-year-old cement board was? "


    50 years ago was drywall, no waterproofing and most likely should have been demo'd/gutted not renovated or added on to.

  • 3 years ago

    I think it's clear from my question that I'm not a professional. The idea was to hire professionals who know more than me. Had they said they needed to demo the wall up to the ceiling I would have done it. In retrospect, that certainly makes sense.

  • 3 years ago

    Oh - maybe I wasn't clear. They took the surround down to the studs where it had been tiled, just not any higher. Removing/rebuilding the wall above the tile was not discussed, bc I don't know what I don't know.

  • 3 years ago

    And then they installed what after the cement board?

  • 3 years ago

    Looking up close after enlarging the first picture, I can see that the cream tile above the green has a larger short piece at the corner than the short pieces below the green. I can barely see that the green tiles in that corner were cut at an angle. I just might be the low light, but to me it is less obvious than it would be if he had done it anywhere else, like on the cream tile. It is absolutely no big thing for me, especially if this is an older home. I like your tile colors and the type of tile you chose. It is very pretty.

    Stephanie thanked Nancy in Mich
  • 3 years ago

    Maybe I'll get used to it then. I've lightened up the picture. The tile is white subway and an aqua stripe. There is no window in this bathroom, so it's really dark without the vanity light (and I'm leaning into the light colors.)



  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    @Stephanie I’m really going over pic with magnification & can really not see an issue. I read what Nancy said & looked again. I will admit that I am in the ranks of fussiest of fuss budgets over details and I think the tile work is good. Do know that when surround is complete & plumbing fixtures installed, points that jump out at you now will recede and disappear. I know this from experience with my kitchen reno! I love your tile colors and love the stripe!!

  • 3 years ago

    It is hard to see after I lightened the picture. I'm hoping that means it's jumping out at me because there are so many shadows in the room right now, The aqua tile is glass so should be very reflective, once there's something to reflect. Thank you!

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    ...I stood my ground over the fact that the new corner where the sides of the foamboard met did not align with the old untiled corner above - it was off about 1/2 inch. They tried to convince me the tiler would make up for it with mortar but I insisted they replace the foamboard on the shower head wall so the corners aligned

    Not clear what was going on^^^.

    But the tile work is almost perfect. The only flaw I see is that bit where the shower head wall isn't plumb. The tile layout/ niches are great, the spacing & grout lines are consistent & there is no readily apparent lippage anywhere. I would accept that flaw and move on.

    ETA: I would, for sure, hang onto contact info on the person who set the tile.

    Stephanie thanked ci_lantro
  • 3 years ago

    Yes, I looked at the job again this morning, now that the grout is dry, and I have to say the tiler did a much neater job (no lippage, neat grout lines, clean cuts) than the guys who tiled my other bathroom several years ago. I guess the 8 days(!) he took were worth it. The only things that bug me are where the wall takes the 1/4" jog, and that he installed the mosaic floor ever so slightly off-center so the grout line grows to nearly 3/4 inch on the short wall by the door, but there will be a 1/2" baseboard and then the vanity so it won't be visible.

    What I was saying about the first corner redo is that initially the new corner formed by the waterproof foamboard did not align with the old corner above it. I found a picture I took at the time. Also the metal fasteners were still exposed, and there were gaps between the tub flange and foamboard. I'd seen online that the foamboard was supposed to extend over the tub flange but the contractor said I didn't have enough tub edge to do it (which appears true, seeing finished job). The contractor said the tiler would fix the crooked wall and I was skeptical, so they reinstalled the foamboard on the shower head wall, installed waterproof tape at the tub joint, and sealed the fasteners so I could see the job "tile ready". I remember the tile guy was surprised to see all this done. So he may have been more meticulous about smoothing out the wonky wall had he not thought it had been done for him. And maybe the main contractor thought the tile guy would still check that the wall was plumb, I dunno. But I suspect if I say something about the 1/4 jog in the wall, which can't be fixed now, they will say it's my fault for having made them redo the wall (bc that's what they've been like - they roll their eyes when I ask questions.) All of you are saying it's not that noticeable anyway.

    I AM going to ask them about a small gap where the hardwood meets the marble threshold. The old floor was an inch higher so there used to be quarter round between floor and threshold. Now it's level and that would be a tripping hazard. Just caulk?


    Original job


    "Fixed"


    Gap I know I'll never see


    Smaller gap but I'll see it every day


  • 3 years ago

    You will see that smaller gap for about a week and then forget about it.

    Stephanie thanked cpartist
  • 3 years ago

    All of the "gaps" should be filled with a flexible sealant, not grout.

    Stephanie thanked catbuilder
  • 3 years ago

    UPDATE: The contractor showed up this morning, took one look at that corner and said it was unacceptable. Said the tiler should have seen it coming and smoothed out the wall. So he made the tiler come back and redo the top 3' of the shower head wall. He restored my faith in contractor humanity.

  • 3 years ago

    That's a great outcome. I hope, however, that they re-did the waterproofing on the wall before re-tiling.

  • 3 years ago

    Oh, of course not. He chipped the tiles off the wall, smoothed out the wonky part with mortar, and put new tiles up.

    Now that the left side is fixed, I noticed how much out of plumb the right wall is (which they built from scratch, floor to ceiling, so it's really inexplicable. At least it isn't abrupt - the whole wall is just out of square both top to bottom and left to right. I'm pretty sure I'll stop seeing it after a few weeks.

    Today we discovered that the vanity arrived cracked, and that the contractors broke the granite I'd intended to reuse (they're providing a replacement.) . Quite the adventure.