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Etoile de Lyon? Perle des Jardins? Something else?

3 years ago

*Southeast Louisiana/Zone 9a/Very hot and humid here.*


I have this mystery rose I inherited when I purchased my home a couple years ago. It’s actually 1 of multiple mystery roses, but I’ll post those soon enough. I thought it was Etoile de Lyon, but recent rabbit hole internet dives now have me questioning if mine could be Perle des Jardins! EDL seems to get SO much praise, but PDJ gets many complaints for its balling tendencies, hence my questioning if I possibly have a PDJ!


Here are some pics:









^^These pictures were from February this year, and I couldn’t believe my eyes that I actually got to see BLOOMS on this thing!


I always assumed something was wrong and it was just a ”sickly” rose. What a sight to see after *2* years! It is now back to looking brown and gross per usual. Or maybe it just gets thrips every single year and that’s why it always looks like garbage. I don’t really know, and this is the first time I find myself eager to care for the numerous established roses we inherited around our home (still working on IDing all of them—I seem to have a solid ID on 3/9 so far!).


**Important to note that none of the plants on the property were cared for or maintained for 3 years before we purchased this home. Multiple roses had trees growing through them and are stuck that way unfortunately as too much time has passed and I can’t safely destroy the large stumps/roots without harming the roses in the process, so I just keep trimming off new shoots from the stumps. All of the roses were extremely overgrown. It took months of continuous hard labor to clear away the brush and sprouted trees (some were taller than the house!) in all the flower beds. By the time I got to this rose in the back, I was OVER IT. And it’s same each year…I get to this one and I’m too exhausted to do anything special. So each year, a little bit gets hacked away to keep it from growing too large, but this rose is a whole mess if I’m being honest…it has black spot, tons of old dead growth that needs to be cleaned out, grass and weeds growing in the soil…it is on my huge list of projects, I promise! Basically taking the property one rose bush and one flowerbed at a time—as much as having 3 young children and working full-time as a teacher allows me, LOL! Hoping to get IDs on the roses specifically before I do anything crazy on them.**


Here is how it looks today, back to its true self:


Here’s a pic from last year, the ”blooms” I usually get…gray-brown blobs. You can see about 10 or so if you look closely:


Comments (4)

  • 3 years ago

    I know that "gray-brown blobs" (or, at the very least, nasty brown petal edges) are what you get with 'Etoile de Lyon' if there's even a HINT of moisture in the air, but I haven't grown 'Perle des Jardines', so don't personally know if it does the same. But, reading the comments on HMF, it sounds like it does, too. My 'Etoile de Lyon' never achieved that much yellow, unless the weather was cloudy, the bloom was in the shady interior of the bush, or it was cut and had been indoors a day or two -- again, don't know about PDJ.

    Madison Roussel thanked catspa_zone9sunset14
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago



    Here, E de Lyon is always in perfect health. This is a dry climate in my area of Oregon. I'm 30 miles north of California.



    I do not have Perle des Jardines here. I do have Souv de Pierre Notting, which also is fantastic here in beauty and health.

    Madison Roussel thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    Sheila, it was true that except for the spring flush, the flowers of 'Etoile de Lyon' during the rest of our season, which is bone-dry, were perfect. The foliage was never less than perfect at any time -- among the best of all teas. The first flush, in April, though, would inevitably be a dismal disaster of hundreds of brown buds or unsightly flowers that screamed to be deadheaded without delay, year after year after year. So disheartening. But, no more perfect tea than when it was 110F in July!


    I have 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting', too, whose flowers are pretty much the image of 'Etoile de Lyon's', and with the same wonderful performance in heat, and not as liable to go bad in damp spring conditions. So, he has stayed.


    Below are 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' in late April 2019 (a dry-ish year) and an 'Etoile de Lyon' bloom in July. Note that neither are really yellow-yellow here.


    SdPN:


    EdL:



  • 3 years ago

    What beautiful roses, catspa! Our climates must be different enough to make your April not work.

    My photos were not the Spring flush but that was great too but maybe later here when the heat had already hit.

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