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Faucet Against Backsplash.

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

This doesn’t seem right to me that this is up against the backsplash. It is a double sink vanity and the other faucet has a small bit of space. What would you do?

To provide some more background. Ferguson messed up and recommended an 18 inch sink but online project they gave me the 21 inch sink link so that is what I sent to them to cut not knowing she really recommended the 18 inch. They are large sinks and I wish I had the smaller ones.


Comments (30)

  • 3 years ago

    Some more photos

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    IMO there was no ther place for the faucet you should have chosen to make the conter deeper to have space for the backsplash and the faucet . Why is the backsplash so thick? Do those handles actually work ? This was a design flaw not sure whos.

  • 3 years ago

    Agree not sure how I was supposed to know. I think the problem is the sink is too big and even after sending it to remodeler designer and fabricator nobody said are you sure this is the sink you want? Ferguson meant to sell me 18 inch but due to online glitch sent me measurements for 21. I didn’t know there was even a smaller version because it’s not in their website.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    This is fabricator error, not Ferguson's fault. The sink cutout could have been easily made at least an inch forward and that inch could be between the faucet and splash.

  • 3 years ago

    Remove the humongous backsplash piece and there will be plenty of room for the faucet.

  • 3 years ago

    The backsplash is standard size for quartz

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Ugh! This is one of my pet peeves. Did your order specify an 18" sink? If so, you could argue that the cut out info was for the wrong size sink. But really, is the 21" deeper than the 18"? If not, you would have had the same issue. The sinks should have been pulled forward more regardless of width. I see this issue all the time, usually with a bit more room behind the faucet so this is pretty extreme. If Fergusons is not responsible, or won't remedy if they are, you could pull the backsplash/side spash and replace with something thinner. Or put a plate glass mirror on the entire wall down to the counter. I know these both will change your look. The faucets also may have been able to be mounted closer to the sink. At least it looks like your hands won't hit the back of the sink when under the spout, THAT really drives me crazy and I've seen it all too often.

    Your bathroom is going to be nice whichever way you go. I love the gray floor with the brass, and if that's the paint color, it looks a bit pink. Pretty combo.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Looks like you have two options to either remove the backsplash or to have the top remade with smaller sinks.

    I doubt that the faucets could be mounted closer to the sink because the rim of the sink is thick and there has to be room for the faucet mounting hardware. There are large nuts underneath that secure the faucet parts to the deck. And probably could not mount the sink closer to the front because of the molded overflow.

    Take a peak under there and see if there is any wiggle room at all.

    they gave me the 21 inch sink link so that is what I sent to them to cut not knowing she really recommended the 18 inch.

    The width of the sink isn't the critical dimension here. It is the front to back dimension that matters. If the 18" sink is the same size as the 21" sink, front to back, you would have had this same result.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Quartz often comes in two thicknesses. If you like the quartz backsplash and don't want to replace it with some thinner tiles, maybe see if your quartz comes in a thinner version and see if you can get a remnant. Or if the fabricator is at fault, suggest that fix instead of a do-over on the countertop. Or that Ferguson pay for a new backsplash. Good luck!

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "Stuff" happens. The backsplash can be machined to a reduced thickness and reinstalled. Roll with it.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    I agree that would be the best solution I guess but honestly I would remove that too thick backspalsh and do a nice thin wall tile

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Layoff Fergusons. They recommended the right sinks. It is not their job nor responsibility to police the fabrication and installation of the products they recommend.


    This is 100% fabricator error. A dimensioned drawing in section will prove it. Post it please.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "The backsplash can be machined to a reduced thickness and reinstalled."


    True, however, that machining may release internal stress inside the engineered stone. The pieces may have a nice lengthwise curl to them when they come off the machine. Since estone is flexible, pushing it back to flat on a wall may not be a problem.

  • 3 years ago

    That’s not true Ferguson gave me the link for the 21 inch sink but ordered the 18. The 18 inch isn’t even on their website. I did not know there was any difference until the countertop was installed. They went to install the sinks and the hole was too big. The fabricator cut what I gave them which was the 21 inch. I was never given any drawings and asked multiple times for the depth and was just told it’s standard.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Misplaced blame is one of my pet peeves here. People see a scorched backsplash and blame the builder, the installer, and the estone manufacturer and give the designer who was unable and/or unwilling to read and comprehend the appliance manufacturer's installation instructions a free pass. Kinda late to pull the cabinets forward once the tops are in.

  • 3 years ago

    The sink cannot be cut anymore forward there is no room in the cabinet for that.

  • 3 years ago

    You were given several suggestions on how to fix it. The main one being your backsplash is too thick. You can tell that by the piece they put on top of the backsplash.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    "The sink cannot be cut anymore forward there is no room in the cabinet for that."


    Nikki:


    I made a 2 3/8" front rail on a kitchen sink retrofit so I kinda know a little bit about this. Dimensioned drawing in section please.




  • 3 years ago

    Unfortunately most fabricators won't make thin front rails ... even when you ask nicely several times!


    Another option, with so little space behind, would have been to do a single handle faucet. You would only have one tight fixture to clean around.

  • 3 years ago

    Here is what I don't understand.

    If the vanity is standard depth and construction.

    If the back splash is standard thickness.

    If the faucets are standard size.

    If the front of the counter is standard depth (whether for the stone or the vanity construction.)

    If the faucet was installed as close to the sink as possible.

    How did this happen? There has to be some irregularity because not all standard vanity, sink, faucets install turn out this way.

    The only thing I can think of is that the sink is deeper than standard. (front to back)

    Or that the installer made the front of the stone too deep.

    Something in the mix has to be irregular. What is it?

    Joseph? Any thoughts?

    Also, in the cutout template it would show the dimensions. I would check that to see if something is off.

    I might be missing something, but finding out the depth of the 18" compared to the 21" sink is important. What brand sink is it? And why am I so interested. Oh yeah, it's my pet peeve. Saying the back splash is too thick doesn't make sense to me because I see these kind of back splashes all the time. I need to know the reason!!! There has to be a simple reason.


  • 3 years ago

    Yes! I can’t find the measurements of the 18 inch sink because it’s not on their website. But on the order is says 18x12 the 21 inch is 21x14. So yes it would be smaller. I was never given a drawing of how they would cut the countertop or asked where I wanted faucets placed. I was just told to send them the links to each. Nobody said hey this is kind of a large sink is this really what you want!?

  • 3 years ago
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    This does have a positive side ... you now know to double check every dimension for any future remodeling projects! Never assume someone has the same vision of the end result, that matches the vision in your head. Ask questions and confirm every dimension.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.

  • 3 years ago

    Just at a quick glance, I think you've found your two inches. But it still doesn't explain why the 14" length (front to back) wouldn't fit right. Can you measure the front to back of your vanity? If it's 18" then that 2 inches makes a big difference. 18" minus 14" leaves only two inches for the front and back. The 12" would give you 6" for front and back. So, that's the problem. You have an 18" vanity that will not accommodate a 14" sink without the faucet being against the back splash, unless the sink could have been fulled forward. So Ferguson sold you a 12" sink but sent you the template for, and the 14" sink. If your order does say 12", I think you have a case.


    I should rewrite this to say, your sink is too big for your vanity unless the vanity would allow the sink to be moved forward. Still not your fault. Now.... was it your responsibility to check the size of the sink before the stone was cut? Was it specified on the labor install contract and the contractor missed it? Those are some questions that need to be answered. Probably others will have some opinions. But I think the reason for the squished faucet has been solved. Now for the resolution. Your bathroom is really pretty. Good luck!

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    It is the depth of the cabinet underneath that matters, the inside depth from the back side of the face frame to the back wall of the cabinet in the case of a framed cabinet. Just making a larger overhang does nothing if there isn't room inside the cabinet to pull the sink forward.

    I would prefer the larger sinks here and would work with changing the splash to something else or having the existing splashes milled down.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    " It sometimes interferes with the corner angle braces, if the sink cabinet is small. Those corner braces are there to keep the cabinet square during shipping, and can easily be carved into with a multi tool to fit the basin in, if needed."


    True, but the corner braces are on framed cabinets, not frameless as pictured here. There is a continuous top rail maybe 3"-4" wide which can be carved into with a multi tool to allow the sink to come forward. Once the cabinets are installed, like the corner braces, it has little structural function. It only has to be strong enough for a door bumper to kiss it.

  • PRO
    3 years ago

    Unless you're going to get the countertop fabricator to redo the existing top, the discussion is pretty much moot point. If you'll have them machine down the backsplash by 1/4" to 3/8" your problem should be behind you. I don' think such a small change in thickness will produce a warped backsplash, but if it does, it should be able to be clamped in place during installation.

  • 3 years ago

    I hate this because it's going to be difficult to clean ... you'll have to "floss behind your faucets".


    The real question is, What do you have in writing. Feguson recommended this, the fabricator assumed that is all hearsay ... what you have in writing is what matters.


    If this were my project, what I'd want is the smaller sink ... after all, what's the point in a larger sink in the bathroom? It just takes away from storage space, and none of us need more space to brush our teeth. And I'd want wall-mounted faucets, which don't impede the small space behind the sink /make cleaning easier.

  • 3 years ago

    Until you get to very tiny sinks, most vanity sinks are virtually the same front to back depth. The size given above is the width measurement, not the depth.