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catspa_zone9sunset14

Is this 'Gruss an Teplitz'?

3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago

Until recently, my daughter rented an apartment in an old (1907) two-story building on Cole Street in San Francisco that had a little back yard with a rather eclectic plant collection, including at least 4 rose varieties, all old types. Among the plants I have rooted from there are 'Cecile Brunner' and a red China that, if it isn't 'Cramoisi Superieur', might as well be. A third variety, rooted but not blooming for me yet, looks like it may be something like a white or blush-colored noisette based on a few photos my daughter took and its foliage -- looking forward to actually seeing that bloom for myself!

Now, the variety being discussed. Under the back stairs of the apartment building, and almost never blooming, because of shade, fog, defoliation from nearly continuous PM and rust, and hired gardeners constantly chopping it off, was this plant. I figured it might be some kind of climber, but now, with its first blooms, am pretty sure it is a China/hybrid China and it sure looks like 'Gruss an Teplitz' to me, though it is early days. The two flowers so far have 26 and 28 petals and the inflorescences are small clusters. The blooms open red and become even deeper red over the course of a few days, as Chinas do. There are few thorns on these cutting, and the original plant didn't have many either. New stems are purple and new foliage is purple-ish, though not purple-purple. Neither daughter or I can detect a scent, though husband says there is some. There seems to be too many petals for 'Gloire des Rosomanes', nor are filaments red. What do y'all think? Other suggestions?



Buds and inflorescence structure:




Comments (5)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Added note that, as far as I can recall, I myself haven't seen 'Gruss an Teplitz' in person (or it didn't register, at least), so hoping to tap into the greater expertise here. I am also hopeful that maybe there will be a specimen of it at the Celebration of Old Roses that is coming up in a few weeks, to compare.

  • 3 years ago

    It looks like Dr. Huey to me.


    Jackie

    catspa_zone9sunset14 thanked jacqueline9CA

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  • 3 years ago

    It looks a lot like one in my garden. Originally I thought mine was lavaglut, but don’t think so. Does your rose have shiny leaves?



    catspa_zone9sunset14 thanked Liz 9b Sunset 14
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    The Dr Huey around here is a lot more dark raspberry-red though. jacqueline9CA I think you are from ’round here too, so maybe!

    catspa_zone9sunset14 thanked Liz 9b Sunset 14
  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Hah, Jackie, I think the odds are high that you may be right! I was so focused on the other, legit old roses in the yard that I didn't consider 'Dr. Huey' sneaking in as a relatively more recent planting's roots. That might explain the "anomalies" with 'Gruss an Teplitz', based on HMF's description, e.g., no entirely purple new foliage and no scent to speak of. And would explain why the thing never seemed to bloom over there -- the blooming wood might have been hacked off by the hired gardeners every year and, since 'Dr. Huey' is a once-bloomer.... One thing, though, is that 'Dr. Huey' is listed as having just 9 to 16 petals and the flowers on these little cuttings have more than that so far, though just within the range of petal numbers given for 'Gruss an Teplitz' on HMF. ('Gruss an Teplitz' is the pollen parent of 'Dr. Huey', by the way, to add a confounding factor to the mix). No shortage of Dr. Hueys all over the neighborhood right now to compare, which I will do tomorrow (will make some sample petal counts on those, so I'll probably end up being reported on NextDoor as "suspicious"....). And, I'll just have to see if reblooms -- if it doesn't, then it probably is "Hello, 'Dr. Huey' "!

    @Liz 9b Sunset 14, the leaves on my rose have some shine to them, but are not ultra-shiny. They aren't as round, either, as the leaves in your photo, seem generally more elongate.

    For the noisette-looking rose from Cole St. that has yet to bloom/not yet identified, I do have another old rootstock variety, 'Manettii', on the list of possibilities for that -- why I overlooked that this might also be rootstock is beyond me.

    Here, by the way, is the 'Cramoisi Superieur' sort of China that came from that yard -- it blooms almost constantly in my garden:





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