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How long to rebloom?

My roses just finished their first blooming cycle of the season a week or so ago. I have a Purple Pavement, Morden Blush and a John Davis climbing rose. How long will it take for them rebloom again? Also a quick question about the climbing rose, the cane that's grown long towards the house doesn't seem to be growing any more, is there anything I can do to encourage it to grow? I would like to train it on a trellis but it's a couple inches short from reaching the house where I would put a trellis up.


Thanks!

Jo

Comments (24)

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    The time it takes for a spent bloom of a hybrid tea stem to rebloom at the dead head cut made on the stem at the first five leaflet point where the stem was also minimally pencil thick is 45 days in zone 6. That's give or take a few days.

    In your zone 3 it may take a couple days longer....cooler growing conditions hhowever, your longer days may offset that. All other classes of roses are generally quicker to repeat. Dead heading as soon as the bloom drops its petals or is well past its beauty starts the countdown a bit quicker and forces the bud below the cut to commence growing promptly.



  • 3 years ago

    @Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA, Thanks for your response! I do remember them reblooming a lot sooner than 45 days last year. Our summer is rather short, so hopefully they have time to rebloom before the weather turns cold. My front flowerbed is looking very green without any color. Fingers crossed!

  • 3 years ago
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    If you concentrate on small blooming varieties, not necessarily miniatures, you should get two flushes in before summer's end. You must always consider winter hardiness issues.

    Have you looked into the Grootendorst hybrid rugosa bushes. Three colors are available: red, pink, and white. The bud count per cluster can be 25, and the small, 50mm blooms are very double, looking like little carnations. They repeat quickly and are expected to be winter hardy there in Manitoba. They are not very fragrant, though, unlike most other hybrid rugosas, which really pack a punch, fragrance wise.

  • 3 years ago

    Thanks for the suggestion, I will definitely look into it. I'm not sure if they're available here but we do have a number of greenhouses/nurseries. My purple pavement is a rugosas and it smells so lovely. That said, I would trade it for a rose that blooms more frequently.

  • 3 years ago
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    I have several rugosas and these push at least some new growth pretty well all throughout the growing season unless it's very hot and dry. 'Morden Blush' is a real bloom machine and should only be taking short breaks before producing new basal growth in which to flower upon. The trick with 'John Davis' to obtain a large growing specimen in zone 3 is to start with deeply amended soil and substantial feedings. Fertilize generously as it breaks spring dormancy and then again now after the heavy spring / early summer flush, deadhead as well, mine produced a lot of hips. New growth will begin to be produced and large new basal canes push upward to give a really decent late summer display and always should have a few blooms until the very hard frosts of autumn.

    Ahhh, yes, I would not be without F.J. Grootendorst, I also have the pink, though prefer the richer colored F.J.

  • 3 years ago

    @FrozeBudd_z3/4I'm still a little on the fence as to whether my "morden blush" is actually a morden blush. The flowers look far different but they may also be very underdeveloped flowers. It seems to be flowering even less than it did last year. The John Davis on the other hand had a HUGE display this year, I probably had about 100 roses on it a couple weeks ago, it was amazing. Should I be fertlizing again now that there's no longer any blooms left?

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    If you might wish to post a photo of your 'Morden Blush'.

    Yes, I had scratched in a generous feeding when the first bloom cycle had finished up, thus encouraging a strong push of new growth and repeat bloom with enough time to harden off before the frosty nights of autumn.

  • 3 years ago

    Here are a few photos of my "morden blush". Good to know, I'll give them a feed then and see what happens!







  • 3 years ago

    'Morden Blush' is a bit of a genetically unstable rose, several times I've come across branches that have sported into all white blooms and have grown for myself a plant with masses of petals and then there's yours, one with few petals, rather very nice all the same though!

  • 3 years ago

    That is not Morden Blush.

  • 3 years ago
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    @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley ORI wonder if it was packaged incorrectly. I would have to buy another from a different nursery, plant it close by and see how the blooms look. Although, if you look here: https://www.homedepot.ca/product/garden-elements-2gallon-7-5l-morden-blush-flowering-shrub-rose/1001707922 My flowers look similar but less developed, so who knows!

  • 3 years ago

    Mine never looked like yours, Jo. Look at HMFroses for more photos of Morden Blush.

  • 3 years ago

    Jo, as per your previous discussion, no other positive identification was made upon your rose.

    Small roses on new Morden Blush

    'Morden Blush' is known for sporting, it has two white sports on the market 'Prairie Snowdrift' and Marshall's Peace Garden Rose', both not only are a color variant, but also display fewer petals than 'Morden Blush'. I once had a 'Morden Blush' so hyper crammed with petals that I had believed it to be mislabeled and later had given it away, what you having going on there I believe is the opposite.

  • 3 years ago

    @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR You live in a far warmer zone than I do and I wonder if that's why there's such a difference in blooms.

  • 3 years ago

    @FrozeBudd_z3/4 That's super interesting, thanks for the info! It's been quite the mystery trying to figure out what was going on with my rose bush and also identifying it. I appreciate your observation.

  • 3 years ago
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    I'm not here to at all belittle anyone else's observations and ideas, it's just that plants can do very strange things when it comes to possible mutations. On your other thread, KittyNYz6 had made several notes, including the foliage being a dead ringer for 'Morden Blush, also in my opinion plant habit is the same. I don't think we're talking about a difference in climate, some roses just have one or more variants in circulation, 'Peace' was well known for such. Of course, I could be all mistaken, but in the nursery trade there would then exist a near identical rose to 'Morden Blush' that shouldn't be all that difficult to identify.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    I bet it is a sport. I ordered Morden Blush from High Country once and they sent me Prairie Snowdrift on accident. I called and the owner and he said oops, and also explained that Morden Blush is prone to that sort of genetic mutation thing and sometimes the offspring don't look quite like Morden Blush. So, basically what Froze bud said.

    What you have is a nice rose and one that I would keep, but I would also be striving to get my hands on a 'traditional' Morden Blush since they are AWESOME.

    My first flush of roses was about to explode until it was wiped out by hail a week ago. Now I gotta wait for them to re-grow.

    Jo (Manitoba-Zone 3) thanked L Clark (zone 4 WY)
  • 3 years ago

    I grew Morden Blush in Alaska and the blooms were very double there, Jo.

    Jo (Manitoba-Zone 3) thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 3 years ago

    Froze, yeah. My greenhouse was destroyed as well. The shade cloth that was drawn saved the plants inside from the golf ball to lemon-sized hail. I hate hail.

  • 3 years ago

    @FrozeBudd_z3/4 Yes, KittyNYz6 was quite the detective and thought that I did indeed have a morden blush. Her own are gorgeous! Nothing quite like my own,lol We had hoped that my roses would look a little fuller this year, however they seem almost smaller, unfortunately! It's really interesting to hear that there are different variants that exist under the same name, who knew!

  • 3 years ago

    L Clark (zone 4 WY)The nursery I bought my two other roses from last year had a beautiful morden blush with much nicer blooms and unfortunately I didn't buy it. I wouldn't mind moving the one I have and putting something in that's a little more like I had originally imagined. Thanks for your help!

  • 3 years ago
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    @Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR Interesting! It must be the variant that I ended up with.

  • 3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Clark, that's some mean nasty large hail, the largest I've seen is about 5 cent piece, really had shredded stuff up, though early enough in the season for things to have made full recovery. We though at times experienced 100% crop loss on sections of cereal cropland, thankfully not often wide spread.

    Jo, it's always nice to see things in bloom just to make sure we're happy with what we're bringing home.