Bluestar gas range is no more expensive than wolf/viking and has open burners.

You may also want to look at Bosch 800 series fridges with the dual compressors.

• GE GFE28GYNFS refrigerator ($1800)
• Cafe C2S900P2MS1 dual-fuel range ($3330)
• Bosch SHP78CM5N dishwasher ($1170)
• Sharp SMD3070ASY microwave drawer ($1400)

Total: $7,700

Thanks, that is part of a separate budget for the kitchen renovation , (which includes cabinets, taking walls down, hardwood floor, etc much larger number that these appliances) - so hood and the mechanism to ventilate is accounted for. Good call out though - with the larger ranges you need the hood and a 600CFM along with make-up air system.

@kendrah: "Great stats from their high volume repair service to tell you what are most reliable brands."

No. The repair data that Yale gathers is only for the first year of ownership and includes only the appliances that Yale sold and serviced. Yale sells NO products from two of the largest appliance manufacturers, Electrolux (Electrolux and Frigidaire brands) and Whirlpool (Whirlpool, Maytag, Amana, and Jenn-Air brands; it does sell KitchenAid) so the data it offers are not very useful.

Viking isn't on the level of Wolf or other ranges. Wolf and Bosch have 36" induction ranges.

Would this be a possible package under 15k?

1. Cheap 36in fridge ~2k (from research sounds like unless you go subzero they all suck and you should not invest more $$ here)

2. Bosch dishwasher ~1k (from research it should either be Bosch or Miele)

3. TBD brand 36 in dual fuel (gas range and electric oven) (very unclear here)

4. what ever microwave ~1k

I think the focus areas are range and dishwasher:

Range - I am not sure what brand is within the budget of 10-11k (15k less 2k fridge - 1k dw - 1k microwave)

Dishwasher - Bosch or Miele

**NOTE HOOD AND VENTALATION IS PART OF A SEPARATE BUDGET*** Understood there is significant costs there, this thread is going to only focus on:

1. fridge

2. dishwasher

3. range

4. microwave

You are still omitting the hood, as mentioned in a comment above. Note that the cost for the hood for a 36" range plus the correct ductwork plus the make-up air can be about the same as the range itself.

A 36" range should have a 42" hood, but if you can't go to 42" wide for the hood, then you should make sure the depth front-to-back is minimum 22" but preferably 24" deep. Then your exhaust duct that goes from the hood to the outside needs to be 8" or 10" diameter. And make-up air can be either passive (not too expensive) or active (expensive).

Edit: my comments were made before the OP edited their comments to say that the hood exhaust is under a separate budget.

Understood, the hood and related ventilation is already covered in a separate budget - this thread is solely focused on buying:

1. Fridge

2. Dishwasher

3. Range

4. Microwave

Up your budget, or reduce your want list.

"With the ventilation being 7-15K..."

The ventilation is not going to be "7-15k". I mean it could be that amount if the OP goes custom with a ModernAire hood, and adds a remote silencer, and other enhancements. But given the OP's appliances budget of $15k, that is not likely. And the OP's most recent comment provided the additional information that the hood exhaust is covered under a separate budget. If it were me, I'd budget ~$4k for the hood, ductwork (if needed - you better check your duct diameter size), and makeup air. A lot of the budget depends on whether the OP can do passive makeup air, or has to do active makeup air.

Seriously... the OP has said several times that the cost of the hood is going to be funded separately, as part of the overall structural renovation... which is actually quite common because unlike many of the other systems, extraction and make-up are fixed to the structure.

So, James please fabricate something else the OP is doing wrong.

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This just doesn't seem even close to a difficult ask to me. You are looking for four appliances for $15,000. Two of those appliances are $1,500 each on a bad day, leaving you $12,000 for two appliances... Yes, you can do it. You can certainly do it if you are not looking for a nice built-in refrigerator.

When our dishwasher died about 2 years ago, our appliance guy (who declared the other one deceased) suggested the MID-RANGE Bosch. He felt the upgrade to the most expensive was not necessary. Just sharing expertise from an appliance repair expert.

are there other cheaper 36 inch dual fuel options?

Probably not a Houzz community favorite, but I love my ZLINE 36" dual-fuel range. It looks awesome and does the job. I personally hate anything digital/"smart"/screens on my appliances (more things to potentially break...), so the ZLINE is really great in that sense, but it also means that it's very basic; it doesn't have a baking-timer, for example.

Re: dishwasher - I second Bosch - I have the 500 series - not sure how it differs from the 800 series one other than the noise level (44dBA vs 42 dBA) - mine is super quiet and I'm very happy with it. Like Kendrah, I too like a third rack silverware drawer and the AutoAir option (which pops-open the dishwasher door one the cycle is done) is terrific!

Thanks Einav will take a look at the Z-line dual fuel. Looks like the 36 in dual fuel range is the last thing I need to nail down in terms of brand and model. That said budget wise I have about 10-11k what would options be with that type of budget for range? and is there value in going to the high end of that budget vs lower end like the Z-line? any suggestions are helpful ! thanks all for the comments in this thread, greatly appreciated.

That said budget wise I have about 10-11k what would options be with that type of budget for range?

Just my 2 cents... It doesn't make any sense to put a $10k range in a home with a $2k refrigerator. Unless you have a specific design or cooking need, you are much better off just sticking to a mid-tier range.

is there value in going to the high end of that budget vs lower end like the Z-line?

This depends, in part, on how heavily you use your range. I, for example, am using the cooktop daily, baking 1-2 times a week, but I don't consider myself a heavy user: When baking, I don't go over 425F in temp, 30 minutes in time, and I'm always around to watch the oven, so I don't need baking-timer or delayed-baking or anything like that; and on my cooktop - I typically don't have more than 2 burners going at the same time, and usually it would be the smaller burners.

So for such light-to-medium usage, you may want to save some of the 10-11k budget for something else and go with a range that's more basic and lower-end. If you are using the range more heavily - it may be a good idea to choose something that's higher end with a reputable customer service (and more expensive).

Good luck!

Yea that makes sense, we like to cook and my wife bakes some but we are not "chefs" by any stretch. What are some options of mid-tier for 36 in dual fuel? maybe:

1. Fisher & Paykel --> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/fisher-paykel-4-9-cu-ft-freestanding-gas-convection-range-brushed-stainless-steel-black-glass/6196678.p?skuId=6196678&utm_source=feed

2. Kitchen Aid --> https://www.homedepot.com/p/KitchenAid-36-in-5-1-cu-ft-Smart-Commercial-Style-Gas-Range-with-Self-Cleaning-and-True-Convection-in-Stainless-Steel-KFGC506JSS/311782818

3. Frigidair --> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/frigidaire-professional-4-4-cu-ft-freestanding-oven-dual-fuel-fan-convection-range-stainless-steel/6543428.p?skuId=6543428&utm_source=feed

Z Line is terrible. Unreliable, with no service. Skip it. Skip duel fuel entrely. All gas is better for everything, including your budget.

Hello Brett. Your renovation project sounds really exciting. (except for the dust and noise of course ) 🙄

Based on all of the comments, thus far, I’ll toss in my two cents here with a few suggestions:

1. When it comes to the brand Z Line , I would tread very carefully here. Smaller, niche brands can be attractive for any number of reasons whether it be aesthetics and/or price point. But as is true with any appliance category, including ranges, be very careful to research whether there are services in your area that will repair the range when it eventually needs some form of maintenance or repair. (it’s no different than if you were shopping for a new car where there was no Service dealership in a reasonable proximity to where you live.) Just as important is to investigate whether local appliance parts distributors keep parts in stock for that brand or the parts have to come from far away and, far away sometimes means ‘internationally far away’!! It is not something many of us think about when we buy something new, but the honeymoon pleasure of a new kitchen will wear off bitterly if something breaks and you cannot get anyone to repair your appliance, in which case you end up with a very heavy, if not beautiful, lawn ornament. My suggestion applies to appliances at any price point, high or low, so again, perform your due diligence wisely here. Note also that basing your information gathering regarding Service access is not something you can do with great accuracy here on the forum, because some brands have stronger service and distribution in some regions of the country more than other geographical areas.

2. I noticed that you had allocated $1000 or so for a microwave. Unless you plan on becoming a dedicated and enthusiastic microwave-focused, chef, I would suggest taking part of that microwave allotment and putting it back on your budget pile. This doesn’t mean you have to buy a $50 Walmart special because there are countertop microwaves which can be put onto a microwave shelf or tucked away somewhere other than the actual countertop if that is your preference. And believe it or not, some of the countertop microwaves are actually rather fancy with higher wattage levels and features that may or may not interest you. Both Panasonic and LG have quite a selection to choose from.

• GE GYE22GYNFS 36" French door counter-depth refrigerator ($2000)
• Cafe C2Y366P2TS1 36" dual-fuel range ($7400)
• Bosch SHP78CM5N dishwasher ($1170)
• Sharp SMD3070ASY microwave drawer ($1400)*
• Total: $11,970

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*all drawer microwaves are built by Sharp. Only Sharp models have the tilt-down control panel.

Just a thought (that I admit you didn't ask for) - if your design can accommodate it, consider one or double wall ovens.

I went with double wall ovens and a separate cooktop and it was one of the best choices I made. I had roughly half your appliance budget so went with LG and caught holiday sales, but I love the functionality of my set-up. It's much easier to use wall ovens for me vs bending down to pull something from a range oven, and we use both ovens more than I ever imagined we would. This would also eliminate the dual-fuel issue for you.

With your appliance budget you might be able to get double wall ovens with glide racks and center opening doors (highly recommend if you go this route and it's within your budget), plus a modular cooktop setup with gas and induction burners and a grill, etc. Or at the very least, high-end double wall ovens and nice 36" cooktop. If your wife likes to bake, and bakes bread, you might consider one of the ovens having a steam option.

If you haven't already done this, go to a high-end appliance dealer in your area (for us in the Chicagoland area that's Abt) and browse for inspiration.

Is there room in your kitchen design for a double oven and a separate cooktop? It’s only a good idea if they fit.

I have had several Frigidaire appliances that worked tirelessly without any repair for a lot of years. My friend has GE Monogram appliances she got with her house and loves them. Your budget should be adequate for good, reliable appliances.@wdcruise gave you a good list. Read the reviews on AJ Madison for the ones you’re considering. People are pretty direct in their opinions on that website. (They have good prices too.)

Once you have your list, check prices everywhere. When our washing machine died, Electronics Express had the best sale, with inside delivery. Costco sells appliances as well.