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Granite countertop cut and fabricated wrong. Help!

2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago

Granite countertops installed over new Kraftmaid cabinets, new cooktop, and new Kraus Kore workstation sink. All standard sizes within recommended limits, professionally installed. The granite fabricator used the CAD/laser measuring and everything was already in place. When the countertops were installed:

1. Cutout on right side of cooktop is tight against cooktop, but on left side it starts out tight (that is where they placed a seam) but then veers off at an angle, so there's a 1/4" gap between cooktop and granite on that side. Just the right size for food and liquid to go in and never come out. (pics 1 & 3 below)

2. Sink cutout was done wrong so workstation accessories don't fit on ledge.

3. Sink/granite gap was not sealed properly (granite owner/manager told me "no one else has ever complained about that" LOL)

4. Sink and faucet placement were moved so far back towards the window/outside wall that the faucet would not clear the windowsill and we had to pay our contractor to cut 1/2" off the windowsill just to reinstall the faucet (it was all working perfectly with plenty of room before install). The faucet is placed literally right against the backsplash so that you can't comfortably operate the controls and you can't clean behind it.

5. A couple of chips and scratches--no big deal, but like every other issue here they refuse to address it.

This seems like an excessive amount of mistakes. To give some perspective, this is a remodel and our house is 100 years old but all things purchased for the remodel were carefully chosen and sized, professionally installed. When the install was done, the mistakes were obvious but the installers just left. My contractor and I had to be the ones to contact the granite owner about the mistakes. When I got the owner to come to my house, I was gaslighted the whole time, never an apology. Example, "Oh, we run into this problem with sink placement all the time because people want bigger sinks now" and "your cooktop must not be square." They set the sink 4" away from the edge of the counter, but if they had just cut that to 3" and moved the faucet placement 1//2" closer to the sink, this could have been avoided.

So, they've proposed replacing the backsplash in that half of the countertop (counters are divided into two parts, with an oven cabinet between the cooktop area and the sink area) with a thinner backsplash, and to move the counter out 1/4" or so. I'm not crazy about either of these ideas and frankly it's not what I ordered, and it won't solve the sink cutout problem. As for the cooktop, they said something about "reseaming" but won't answer any further questions about how this is going to work.

I've emailed repeatedly for two weeks, asking for clarification of their proposed solutions in writing--I think that's a fair ask. Nothing. No response. I've texted asking for a response. Nothing. BUT! They were able to send me two email invoices and one snail mail invoice requesting that I pay the balance of what I owe (we paid 60% in advance). We worked very hard and waited a long time to be able to do this remodel, which is our "forever kitchen / aging in place" kitchen and this is a huge disappointment. Any advice?

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Comments (14)

  • 2 years ago

    Hoping one of the stone gurus can chime in....


    @Joseph Corlett, LLC


    @millworkman


    @cpartist



  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    So sorry. While we wait for the experts to weigh in on all of your issues, I agree to withhold payment.

    Experts here will hopefully tell you what can be done and how to go it.

  • 2 years ago
    last modified: 2 years ago

    " Any advice? "

    You owe them 40%. They want it, they fix the issues. Send them a list of the issues via registered mail with the letter explaining the money after the issues are fixed. Be will willing to compromise a little but not majorly. Who hired them you or the GC? Ask if they would be happy if you posted the pictures of their work online?

  • 2 years ago

    A few years ago my son and DIL had Home Depot redo their kitchen. The only snag was with the countertop. The sub came out and templated after all cabinets were installled and the first countertop install was way off. The second attempt was off also. HD made them keep coming back until they got it perfect. it finally happened on the third try. I would expect no less from any other installer.

  • 2 years ago

    Balance will not be paid until all of the issues have been satisfactorily addressed.


    Cooktop not square??? Measuring tape and a carpenters square could settle that argument quickly.


    the sink simply needs to be done correctly.

  • 2 years ago

    " Cooktop not square??? Measuring tape and a carpenters square could settle that argument quickly "


    Actually a piece of string, even a shoelace. Measurements do not matter. Corner to corner would be exactly the same if it is square,

    Jean Sramek thanked millworkman
  • 2 years ago

    HOLD YOUR GROUND and YOUR REMAINING BALANCE.


    It's great that they had fancy measuring tools, but if they don't transfer that right in fabrication - then the tools are not that helpful. (Or if fabrication can't execute)


    Telling you your cooktop isn't square is very annoying. It's even more annoying because I am pretty sure tey would not have tried to deploy that to your GC (assuming he's male) or your husband. Agree - measure it corner to corner and dispel that myth immediately . I mean what are the chances that a mass produced, engineered and factory built appliance is not square but the counters that have a variety of problems are "perfect"? People that say crap like this in front of homeowners (and then don't go over and measure themselves...) need some accountability. Right now, 40% is their accountability.


    My counters were measured by hand (me and DH), submitted to the granite company, their lead fabricator came out, validated them, took a sample of the island pop ups and took the template of our induction top and sinks back with him - and created perfect tops. (And both the cooktop and the island pop ups are flushmount) . 3 sinks, 2 faucets, soap dispensers and bookmatched island.


    The faucet error they made is a rookie mistake - especially since they were the ones installing a full depth 4" splash! (It may have still been tight to the sill, but much less so if they moved the sink forward. And yes - a narrower front rail is more fragile - but it's doable.


    There is no excuse for any of these issues - they are all their problem and they ALL should be fixed. That is likely to mean new material.

    Jean Sramek thanked just_janni
  • PRO
    2 years ago

    It is highly unlikely that the cooktop is out of square. It is much more likely that the cabinets aren't square to the rear wall, and are not parallel on the sides. I'm betting they templated to the cabinets and not square to the rear wall as they should have.


    To get the workstation sink operating properly, the sink must be dropped and the cutout enlarged at the front, profiled, and polished on site with no dust or mess. I've done this literally thousands of times. See if a steak knife will pass between the stone bottom and the sink flange please. It should not in any area. Look for silicone squeeze-out underneath. Insist they strap, not clip or block, your sink back in place.


    A leaking sink can cause catastrophic reinforcement rod failure.


    Pay for a proposal to fix everything to your satisfaction please. Give them a couple weeks to make it right, or accept the proposal and pay for it with the balance you owe them.

    Jean Sramek thanked Joseph Corlett, LLC
  • 2 years ago

    Re the non-square cooktop... it's new, right out of the box. Even if it was a triangle or trapezoid shape, their job is to precisely measure and then fabricate the countertop to fit. The thing that's crooked is the countertop.

  • 2 years ago

    Thanks for all the support and reality checks. This is a nightmare but I'm not giving up yet. I've repeatedly emailed Granite Place (actual name withheld), asking for specific questions to be answered about their plans to fix these things, and all have been flat-out ignored ... but they are able to email me multiple invoices for the balance of what we owe. My next step might be a consumer complaint to the state attorney generals office (I live in Minnesota and we have pretty good consumer protection laws). I just want what I ordered--seems simple, right? Although at this point, I don't trust Granite Place to do any further work, but I guess that's my only choice.


    What's particularly frustrating, besides being gaslit, is the fact that the measurements they took were ... disregarded? Ignored? With the cooktop (which is on an island, not against a wall), the seam fabrication was apparently "eyeballed" almost like when you cut a piece of paper with scissors without measuring. I had discussions prior to ordering with Granite Place specifically about the type of sinks I was considering--and at no time did they say "Oh, by the way, your faucet is going to go right through your windowsill, hope you don't mind!" LOL. None of this has been DIY, we've hired people to install everything.


    I wonder about the installation using straps ... when I look under the sink, the corners are held up by four small blocks of wood screwed to the plastic walls of the sink base. I assume they used clips that came with the sink? My contractor was surprised by those wood pieces. It doesn't seem long-term to me.


  • last year

    Just reading your dilemma makes me sad. I think the next communication to this company should be a demand letter: they improperly measured and or cut the granite - then knowingly installed a mistake nonetheless. You need to send them a demand letter timely articulating that you will not accept the faulty workmanship or their failure to stop installing what they clearly knew was a grossly distorted ill fitting product. As such they knowingly deformed your kitchen and that has a domino effect on your property value as opposed to its value if done correctly. You could get a property Appraiser to evaluate your property focusing on the bizarre misfitting work and quote the loss in value As opposed to if proper . U r getting market value loss Assessment. Then get proposal by another company to remove , to design to install. Via a lawyer make your demand as to removal and replacement as per original specification. They will answer your lawyer . Do not waste your time complaining to consumer board or Better Business as you will only get in a long dumb dialogue back and forth With consumer board as arbitrator. Take action as suggested above and you will get results . Good luck

  • last year

    " just reading your dilemma makes me sad. I think the next communication to this company should be a demand letter: "


    Post is a year old.


  • last year

    Whoops !