Need some help for my new kitchen layout

last year

Hi I am doing a major kitchen remodel and would like to get some feedbacks of the new kitchen layout. The cabinets I wanted are from euro so the measurements are in millimeters instead of inches. The left size of the L with the window is the cleaning area, and the island in the middle is around 12 feet long. The area on the right of the fridge is like a mini bar area with a 15 inches inc maker and a smaller sink.

A couple things I want feedbacks on:

Right now there are two sinks, one large on the left side which is right next to the DW, and the other one on the right side of the fridge that is meant for a bar sink. Since I would like to use the island. for prepping, I am thinking to move the bar sink to the island so that it can serve as a prep sink. What do you think?
If I move the bar sink on the island, then I won't need the sink in that area, and I can move my oven-microwave pair and the fridge to the right a bit, to give more countertop space for the cooking area. If I do that, then the bar countertop will become smaller and may not be even useful at all (since the sink is on the island, I might just do bartending on the island facing to my guests instead of doing it on countertop), which then makes me think that I might just cut that countertop altogether, having the kitchen end with just the fridge and maybe plus the pantry.

However the tricky thing is that, there's a shear wall right next to the cabinet on the right, which wouldn't be an issue with the original design. But if I remove the bar countertop, then it kinda becomes a problem because there will be a "gap" between that wall and the pantry. See the image below, if I get rid of the bar countertop, the pantry will be at the center of the window, leaving around 3 feet "gap" between the pantry and the shear wall. So.. do you think it's still worth having the small bar countertop just for the sake of aesthetics (but will cost more for the countertop and cabinets down below)? or any other ideas that could fill this gap?

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eam44
last year
The sink in the clean-up zone looks modest. You want that to be a big sink, like a 33” single bowl sink with drainboard.

An island prep sink is messy, effectively reduces your island seating, and you don’t need one there. Your cooking zone naturally places prep on the half of the island near the big sink - you’ll naturally use the big sink.

If you do end up putting in a prep sink in the island instead of a bar sink at the back, it ought to have a disposal to deal with prep scraps. That won’t be fun to sit behind.

If you do keep the bar area, install a wine/beverage fridge to the right of that sink, or make those drawers refrigerator drawers. You will be grateful for the expanded refrigeration space and for keeping beverage seekers out of your cooking zone.

I cannot tell from the diagram what kind of corner storage you have chosen for the sink-to-cooking corner. Have you decided what to use there? Is that a lazy susan or some fabulous euro pull-out?

You must be very excited. It looks like a beautiful space.
Yanix
Original Author
last year
Thanks eam44!

> You want that to be a big sink, like a 33” single bowl sink with drainboard.

Yup certainly. The sink cabinet is 120cm which is like 47'', so we should be good here (and maybe it's even too large? lol)

> Your cooking zone naturally places prep on the half of the island near the big sink - you’ll naturally use the big sink.

Yeah I am kinda debating about this. Like it isn't really too far away, but it is across an aisle. I don't have an island in my current kitchen so I can't really speak to whether that's ok or not. Let me know if you have a similar setup and how do you feel about it.

> You will be grateful for the expanded refrigeration space and for keeping beverage seekers out of your cooking zone.

Yeah that might be a good idea. Right now we don't have too many people in the house so that single fridge is storing both the beverages and the groceries. But like you mentioned maybe a second fridge would be more convenient.

> Have you decided what to use there? Is that a lazy susan or some fabulous euro pull-out?

It's some fabulous euro pull-outs :D It's similar to this thing https://www.cabinetparts.com/p/kessebohmer-organizers-kitchen-organizers-HAF54810241-p24385 but instead of needing to make a turn, it can just directly pull out the entire thing 4 baskets in a single pull.
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Isaac
last year
If nothing else, please swap the fridge/ pantry area with the prep sink area. Then you will have a smooth flow from food storage to prep to cooking - see the classic post on layout here: https://www.houzz.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first

You will also have a continuous countertop and avoid violating principle 4 here: http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.design.rules.htm