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Kitchen Remodel Layout Help

6 months ago

I am planning a kitchen remodel - the kitchen is in the middle of the home, and has a walkway from the backdoor to the rest of the living space, so it makes changing the layout difficult. This was a custom kitchen circa 1982 - so it had all the bells and whistles (trashcompactor, ice maker, warming drawer, counter top blender :-), and built in refrigerator (it was only a refrigerator, no freezer). Since these pictures were taken we have removed the trashcompactor and put in a mini fridge, replaced the dishwasher, and the refrigerator with a frenchdoor refrigerator/freezer. My dream is to revamp totally!


Currently, the cabinets that are along the non-window wall are a custom depth (15 ") on the bottom, which allows more space on the walk-through side. Another added challenge is there is a soffit on that side of the kitchen that houses plumbing runs from the upstairs, so it won't be moving. My current issues with the space are: Wall oven is small, only 27" wide opening (but I like a double oven), the cooktop is in the island, limiting types of options for moving towards more of a range and hood set up (would love a nice big viking/wolf range), but don't like a hood over the island due to the site lines. (Currently has pop-up hood w/ gas range). The island needs to be replaced or modified to be able to fit the microwave , etc . The pantry is just the closet under the stairs that is near the kitchen eating area. The family is always hanging out on the island when I am cooking. Do you have any ideas on options to help solve some of these problems?

Kitchen Remodel · More Info


Kitchen Remodel · More Info


Kitchen Remodel · More Info


Kitchen Remodel · More Info



Comments (21)

  • PRO
    6 months ago

    We need a drawing with dimensions to provide real help… that said what is your budget? I see this kitchen and the floor plan and see easily 200k of changes. So many rooms all separated by narrow doors. A windowless kitchen and breakfast room. Fussy trim and soffits. Everything done to make it dark. I would open the wall between the kitchen and dining either completely to create room for a large island or partially with a centered large opening flanked by cabinetry. The breakfast room space seems dreary and ripe to become more kitchen. The passage to the family room seems awkwardly narrow to access a room you probably use a lot. So much potential.

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  • 6 months ago

    Get a range with double ovens, take out the wall ovens and cabinets on that end and put the range and hood there. Then you can reconfigure your island. Getting rid of the dark wallpaper and a new light fixture will make a big difference too.

    iknowclc thanked jlc712
  • 6 months ago

    Definelty agree there is lots of room for improvement. There is a single window in the kitchen, over the sink - it could be widened, but need to ensure we don't loose storage space by using other space more wisely. We aren't looking to do $200K of rennovations - so we won't be knocking down walls. We definetly need more lighting in the kitchen/breakfast area. It needs a fresh start, but looking to keep it under $75K for the kitchen if possible, as there are other areas of the home that we need to work towards updating too.


    I am nervous about putting in a range and hood on the far wall where the double ovens are, as I really like a landing zone on both sides of the cooktop, and I'm afraid its just not big enough on that small wall. We did get rid of the wallpaper a while back when we updated a few appliances, but i just haven't taken new pics just yet!

  • PRO
    6 months ago

    When you get time to do the to scale floor plan then we can go to work and help. Do the plan on graph paper show every meausrement clearly post here in a comment in jpeg format . DO NOT start another post

  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Depending on where you live 75k would not be enough. its a large space already. we spent 70k 9 yrs ago on a 8x11 kitchen. nothing super high end and we got lots of materials for cost though i do live in a higher COL area and we did completly reconfigure the space including removing a wall that required a beam to replace, though if memory serves, the beam was onky about 3k.

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    BTW no way can we even beginn to guess at cost until you havea plan. I use Ikea cabinets for many high end homes where clients are not interested in spending huge money to get a very functional , nice looking kitchen. Kitchen design is very personal it requires you to really think about how you cook, what you cook and how often you cook. Appliances bought for those same reasons. This kitchen in these pics was done awhaile ago all Ikea and for less than 20 K including the flooring. But the client put the cabinets together and my hubby and I installed them . This dod not include applainces but some plumbing and electrical was done I did the tile .A much more functional space too.
    For some reason the after pic only shows when you push edit.




  • 6 months ago

    What part of the country are you located in? $75k does not go very far these days with Wolf range and adequate hood, the number of cabinets you have, potentially redoing the floor, rewiring for new lighting, and the labor involved in it all.


    Do the double ovens have to be in the wall or could you get a range with double ovens? Don't know if this is realistic: Sink and dishwasher in island, fridge where your current double ovens are located, large range with double ovens and hood to the right of window where dishwasher and fridge are currently located. Add microwave to end of new island.



  • 6 months ago

    This is the measurements in the kitchen and breakfast area. Hopefully this can help provide some more specific suggestions! Thank you all!

  • 6 months ago

    While a high end range is my dream, I’m good with just getting the looks and good functionality. A double oven is ideal as I do a lot of large family meals and being able to do things at different temps is so helpful!

  • 6 months ago

    would you be willing to give up the shallow cabinets on the wall opposite the window? Then you could have an island with greater depth which would be better for workspace + those hanging out in the kitchen. You could have an island of 42-48 in. Sink in island, cooktop to wall.

    Or, play around with the idea of a peninsula between breakfast and kitchen, with no or a small maybe cart island for an extra work surface. In that scenario you would likely be able to keep some cabinetry on the china cabinet wall.

    in the meantime, I'd swap some things out of that china cabinet wall to the pantry, to move often used pantry items into the kitchen. It looks like a lot of that space is just used for decorative stuff, while you are dealing with an inconvenient pantry far away! (I'm not a big one for decorative china etc. however. )

  • 6 months ago

    Unless you are willing to spend a lot of money, I would stay with what you have now. You say this kitchen is quality, so assuming that the cabinets are solid wood, I suggest you replace

    appliances, add some lighting over the island, spend the money for a professional paint job on cabinets and pant the walls. If needed new countertops could be worked into a budget for under $75,000.00





  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    There are several measurements missing, could you please fill them in? E.g., the right wall's measurements do not add up to 390", they're 59.5" short. I'm guessing it's the distance b/w the wall at 210" and the 60" opening (door?), but I'm not sure. There are a couple of other un-labeled spaces as well.

    Each all segment, window, door, and doorway should be labeled with its measurement.

  • 6 months ago

    FYI...15"D base cabinets are unlikely to be "custom" anymore. E.g., IKEA has 15"D base cabinets.

  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Do NOT get a stove with 2 ovens. They each are smaller than normal and the bottom one is on the floor. MIght be ok if you are very short or like kneeling on the groundto get dishes out of the oven. You would have issues preparing a large meal with two smaller sized ovens.

  • PRO
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Before I ever do a kitchen design I ask my clieents what they love and hate about what they have. So start there . That tollet on the DR wall has to be gone for sure . Is the fridge counter depth ? I happen to run a catering biz from my home and find a range and double walls ovens are a must but if cooking large meals only a couple ot times ayear it seems to me that would be overkill. In a good kitchen you never pass the cooking to go from fridge to sink. I love true pullout pantries much more than reach in. All the base cabinets need to be drawers .I do agree you need an independant kitchen designerto do this right . I cannot read the size of the DR but it does not look wide enough to bump into that and since you cook for large groups I would not move that wall. Do you know what is in the soffit , often they were just done to fill the gap and of course you will now take cabinest to the ceiling.Never a cooking appliance in an island and IMO not seating at the island will allow a much better layout , you have table so close no need for island seating . So many things need answers before you can have a good kitchen designed .Get a good KD now

  • PRO
    6 months ago

    Galley kitchens can be the most functional spaces but they require really good planning and that IMO requires a really good KD who has many sit downs to explore exactly how you cook. Even when I am not catering my kitchen needs space for all the people who want to hang out there while I cook . .

  • 6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Here is a concept sketch. Remove the island, keep the window wall the same layout.


  • 6 months ago

    Here is another idea that might work.

    Remove closets from connecting hallway. Move door into kitchen from that hallway about 24 inches over. Then you may have room on the wall to put in a range with an oven underneath.

    Put a peninsula where the fridge was.

    On the bottom wall, put in an oven underneath the counters and a fridge on that wall.



  • PRO
    6 months ago

    The op hasn't returned. I wouldn't touch it unless I took a little space from that dining room, jiggle the entry a bit.... and pushed back 18 - 24 "

    . Studs /Drywall is cheap relative to all else and a decent kitchen. It never should have had an island in the current width





  • PRO
    5 months ago

    Another disappearing poster if yu do not want help say so why bother posting at all. I am willing to give a bit of slack for the holidays but we need answers