As someone whose ribcage is practically resting on her pelvis, I know the problems of too little vertical separation in trying to wear clothes that fit properly.

Sorry, I’m no help but I can commiserate.

I'm going to go against the grain here and say a hard no to the tuck. Sorry. Maybe these True Classics t-shirts would be a better fit for you. In the picture of the striped t-shirt shortened, you've shortened it too much. A t-shirt on a man should be a little long. See these Ash&Erie t-shirts made for shorter guys. Maybe you just need a better fitting shirt so you don't feel you need to tuck it in.

Both look good tucked in. Out would be good if you could find something shorter. They’ve got to be out there somewhere.

I am going to try a couple t-shirts from one of those places that has a lot more sizes of t-shirts like chest sizes and Short. They come across my FB but of course right now the one I am thinking of besides True Classics has not popped up, as opposed to being there almost all the time last week.

As for wearing the striped one untucked and shortened, I agree it's too short in the front as I have it folded up.

But I think the problem is in the back. I don't like anything stretched on the butt or sitting on top of it. I don't like it when I see the horizontal line of the shirt bobbing up and down like a see saw when someone is walking. I don't think it has to be so loose that you can't tell there is a butt under there, like some movement under there is fine, but my back is not really Long enough to have that sort of fit.

And if anything the butt is only going to stick out more as my waist gets a little tighter, and I continue to lift weights. I think if the two options I am stuck with, Flat Irish A** or The Shelf, I would much rather have The Shelf. So if the t shirt is loose enough to hang over instead of sitting on it, it's just going to make me look thicker around the middle, and I am already relatively thick around the middle. I will never be V shaped. It is easier for a short person to develop muscles that stick out than it is for a tall person, because the end of the muscle are closer together.

The company I am going to try is Asket they have 18 sizes. I need the shorter Length and this is one of the options.

<< I don't like it when I see the horizontal line of the shirt bobbing up and down like a see saw when someone is walking. >>

hahah now I feel the need to get someone close to me to video me walking away (a view I am NOT ready for!) 😂

but seriously, I like the tucked look too -- on me, on others and in your photos!

Your body is changing and I think that often calls for a change in cut. I would suggest trying a few different jean styles to see what looks and feels best -- but I think you look great!

I would need therapy if someone mocked up a photo of me that way. I never really look at myself from the side or the back. I look straight on and then go on my merry, delusional way.

I think the see-saw remark my seem kind of judgmental like I am evaluating the fit of everybody's clothes, but I don't think that's quite it. I just know when I see someone whose clothes I like the fit of, I notice what I like. I am really not walking behind someone tailoring their clothes in my head.

Of course I tend to negatively compare the fit of my clothes to someone who is 20 years younger, and either 6" taller or someone who is really miniature all around, like with a 27" waist rather than someone who is just short like me.

I had a grandfather who was 6 feet tall and weighed about 145, and I had a great uncle who was built like a jockey, but I am neither, just short.

I would need therapy if someone mocked up a photo of me that way

This sort of behavior may be one of the reasons I have needed it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Most of my family has been completely comfortable in their own skin.

I think we tend to scrutinize ourselves -- and every part of ourselves-- a lot more when our body shape is changing--even when the change is for the better. I WISH had scrutinized my body a lot more when i was changing for the worse!

Most of our appearance is a genetic lottery, like height. You have to let that go. The part you do control --- your fitness --- is admirable. Focus on that.

I believe that there is also a focus because I am trying to find clothes that fit, which is something that I completely neglected for a couple of years, so the analysis is in overdrive.

I have been wearing scrubs 5 days a week for several years, and I bought mediums in everything which is really too large for me in a lot of scrubs, but I could just kind of bury myself in them. But clearly this confuses people as to what size I might be. This is the "team jacket" they ordered for me. What am I supposed to do with this?

Skipping down to say it looks way better tucked in - and not nerdy either - just a bit more dressy.

P.S. Some men's shirts are made to be tucked in, and others are not. The extra length is for staying tucked, I believe.

P.P.S. Can't they exchange the jacket for you?

And I really shouldn't worry about looking nerdy or boomer, I am 63 not 36.

OMG! It's the thought that counts. You need a tailor! I think you should treat yourself to a clothes shopping trip. Try on everything before you buy it. You could easily be styled. Nothing to change...just getting the right fit it all there is to it....would love to see updated photos of YOU in new clothes!

“This is the "team jacket" they ordered for me. What am I supposed to do with this?”

Burn it 😎

adding @Mtn, I take photos of my outfits from the side and often think I look better sideways.

Pal, Thank God I cannot take photos from behind though because if there ever was a flat Irish A** it’s in my mirror.

Agree that looks and body shape are part of the genetic lottery and we should focus on those things we can affect, like grooming and fitness. You’ve got both hands down!

Can they send you a size small in that jacket! LOL! That thing is HUGE!!!!

I made a lot of Lycra T-shirts in the 1980s with different geometrical designs. I still have a lot of leftover Lycra from those days, and I also made bathing suits.

Here's one I made for my friend Greg:

Photo taken at my apartment complex in Culver City, 1990.

Greg has a long torso, and so I designed this shirt with that in mind. Too bad Lycra is no longer fashionable!

I love all the photos of your T-shirts, but I do think that the first one is a bit long. I used to have a great collection of T-shirts when I lived in San Francisco, and I got most of the at Thrift Town on Mission Street, near 17th Street, when I lived on Guerrero Street.

That's a perfectly-fitting t-shirt. So often a tight t-shirt is too tight and bunchy.

I don't know if something has taken over for lycra or not but I see a lot of very tight elastic clothing on a lot of people who would look better in something a little looser.

And the shorts are also very short while still covering everything.

As for printed t-shirts, I have The Smiths Hatful of Hollow in blue, the one with the picture of Fabrice Collette on it. I have had people in NYC ask we where I got it, because apparently it's rare, and the real answer is that I bought it in the 1980s when I bought the CD and just kept it. Unfortunately I don't have the Joe Dallesandro t-shirt because I did not want to wear a t shirt of a bare chested man at the time. (or now really, but it would be nice to have the shirt)

Ooh la la… Craig … and the shirt looks great too, Lars. I am short waisted and beyond Lycra at this stage of my life but I see how the fabric and design works for someone with that body type.

I think it's only natural to hone in on the things in the mirror that bother you and ignore the positives. I see what you are seeing in the mirror but if I saw you walking down the street they wouldn't even register. And one of my annoying traits is that I can't help looking at things and wondering about how I could "fix" them.

I agree that you should get a few things altered at a good tailor.

I'm long waisted with a pear bottom and proportion is tough for me too. I often look in the mirror and see Baby Huey. Especially now that most of the tops for women are short.

Do get a better fitting pair of jeans. That is the first thing I noticed in the photos, besides the too-long length of the striped shirt. The jeans look too baggy in the hips, knees and legs, creating those folds and bulk where you don’t want them. Try finding a lighter weight denim. You are very fit and should be and look proud of what you've accomplished to get there.

My DH is still pretty fit at 78 but he has wide hips and nothing he can do about that except find what fits.

Buy a sewing machine. I think you could learn to do an excellent job and alter things to your liking.

Approximately 1.4% of the population thinks their jeans fit them well, and half of them are wrong. This simply requires a ton of trial and error.

That estimate may be overly generous, Mtn.

I could never pass as any kind of expert in mens fashion, but I do think both look better on you tucked in. It seems like some men and some women look better tucked in and some untucked. I think I look better untucked. I noticed my dad always wears things tucked (he always looks well dressed) and honestly I think he just looks better tucked in. I do not think there are too many stripes going on with the tucked in striped shirt. It looks good.

1) I have thought about getting a sewing machine.

2) I am going to start with getting the jeans taken in at the waist.

3) They must fiddle a lot with the clothes in editorial photoshoots

4) I am going to get some of those infinitely adjustable belts with no holes.

5) I think I am going to give away the Girbaud pants in the other thread. Keeping them to wear once or so in NYC isn't a good enough reason to keep them.

This was my solution to stop into work today. No scrubs needed, no classes. The pants are a little baggy, sometimes I need to tuck in a dress shirt, so I don't like them too tight.

Everything looks good except that shapeless sack of a jacket. Maybe that style was selected to camouflage all body types in a kind of Orwellian vibe?

That color gray looks good on you. What color is your hair?

A sewing machine can be helpful or just another source of frustration. I had a hard time finding shorts last summer and attempted to alter them trying to eliminate extra fabric in the seat. I ended up tossing them after I’d opened and redid some seams. Dresses are the solution for me.

It's just a plain zip jacket, the style which fits me a bit better than a lot of jackets because they are relatively short on the average person. I did have the sleeves shortened. I am too big for a small, but too small for a medium really. I like that they are completely fashionless (although they seem to be on an upcycle now) , and are just loose enough to fit over a sweater, too.

My hair was brown, it's mostly grey and my beard is mostly white. I clip everything to about 1/4" every couple weeks.

I took the jeans to the dry cleaner to get them taken in, and I will start looking for another pair. I only have one pair.

I have had a tailor take in the waist of jeans for me from time to time. Usually I'm happier if I can just find the right brand that fits well. I've seen some great looking mens jeans from Joe's Jeans and from AG Jeans if you're looking to try some new brands. (I like both brands for myself as well in womens.)

I am pretty bald, and a light shining on my head makes me look even more bald. It's whitest around the crown not right at the temples. I don't think I will turn all white, my dad was not at 93.

Thank, you for the photo; I cannot appreciate any white hair but I’ll take your word for it 😁

I like that they are completely fashionless…..

You don’t hear that every day!

You’re being way to hard on yourself. You look great!

Why not just go to the store and try on 50 pairs of jeans like us ladies have had to do for decades!? HEEHEE!

There's actually no good reason to go someplace and try on jeans because no one carries an inseam that is close to short enough.

I found a couple places online, and when I get my current jeans back from the tailor, I will measure their inseam. (I wear a longer inseam in jeans than chinos).

I like these which come in a shorter inseam, ring spun Japanese denim. Possibly inseam not short enough. Since these are already $180 :-( if I can't wear the inseam offered I am not going to buy them if I have to have them shortened too. But this sort of jean would cost the same at Levi Strauss.

These are more ordinary dark wash, and they come in inseams all the way down to 26" so I am good there, and they are about $100, so much more reasonable. This company I like because they also show short models wearing their short clothes. Not 6'2'' models wearing their regular clothes that are also available in short.

The t-shirts offered by the same company as the first jeans come in "short" sizes, with shorter sleeves and body. $55. Again, expensive, but one way or another, I pay a premium to get anything --even the most simple--to fit. Unlike the human coat hanger I live with who can wear anything off the rack.

I like fashionless clothes. But lots of men's clothes are fashionless, relatively, and I think the older men get the more they should stick to things that only nod to fashion.

If you are 30, affluent, tall and thin, you could get away with this Louis Vuitton spring collection outfit, at least in NYC or LA. If you are 50, I don't care how built you are, you would just look silly. Does this model look silly? Sorta, but he is young enough to carry it off.

Same with this. (The photo exaggerates the shoes). Of course the proportions of everything are terrible. They are supposed to be. It's not supposed to be flattering. It's fine if you are young, but I see 40+ year olds trying to pull this off in NYC and its tragic

Do you have a Tommy Bahama store near you? I bought some pants at the store in Palm Desert that are like jeans but are made with a stretchy fabric - it contains about 5% Lycra or similar fiber. The pants are very comfortable and fit very well without being baggy at all but also not constricting. The ones I bought are a pale turquoise, but they come in a lot of different colors.

I haven't worn denim jeans since the 1990s, but I have made jean like pants for myself. I used a black and white cow print pattern for those, but they no longer fit me.

Because of the yoke at the back of jeans, they are difficult to alter or take in, and the waistband is generally as one piece. I have never altered jeans at the waist and have just worn a belt if they were too large. Because of my butt, a lot of pants do not fit me well, and in the late 1970s, the jeans that fit me best were Lady Wranglers, size 7/8, but they were usually too short, and so I had to lengthen them.

Pal, I feel that in many of those tees you could size down. The shoulders hang some and they just look too wide in the pics, maybe not so much so in person. This, as you know, would also minimize the amount of fabric you need to tuck in.

You obviously work out so show it off!

Yes, I am getting the jeans taken in at the waist and it's kind of expensive, but cheaper than buying another pair until I sort out what I can wear. This is the first time I might have to take my butt into account with jeans, but I am not sure it will ever be an outlier that way, because I have never had a super narrow waist proportionately even back when my weight was in the 120s.

The blue striped is a medium, and it is too big in some areas, but I would never get my arms or neck into a small.

The light blue is actually a small. I do see fit guys my age wearing some pretty tight t-shirts but I don't really like to walk around like that so much. Obviously I need to work on something a little better than the communist Chinese looking stuff but I am kind of a sleeper in terms of not wanting to show it off. Although apparently I did to some degree in here.

This is how I dressed for the gym for a long time until I changed my workout and these clothes were so baggy they were getting in the way

I was thinking that you might like The Row - basic items with really nice fabrics and cuts. Very expensive. I just popped in the website and unfortunately the tops look really long. And were way more expensive than I remembered.

Pal, here are some brands that are tailored for men 5’8” and under.

Ash & Erie https://ashanderie.com

Abbreviated https://abbreviated.shop

Ruler of London https://ruleroflondon.com

Thank you for the comments and resources. It's nice to have multiple sources for clothes even if you have a limited type of wardrobe like I try to.

You are right The Row is really expensive. The basic simplicity of the clothes I like, but they are very elongated I think.

My favorite more mainstream brand is probably Theory, but they don't make anything that would not take a lot of shortening, and it's pricey to begin with, so I try to emulate that sort of look in less expensive, shorter-available clothing

I have this whole outfit, basically, but of course I can't get a jacket like this short enough in the body (and this guy is 6'2" I think and wearing a M. It's not going to look this short on a lot of people.)

And I would wear things like this if I could get this sort of overshirt short enough

Whoa 😃

No one in their right mind would ask if you wear a diaper 😎

Just flag it. What a jerk.

Dear A. Mat,

Thank you for clearing up what the A in your name stands for.

I see the comment has been removed so I removed the reply. I should have just ignored it.

I understand why you removed the picture, but, I must say, your 63 y/o bod is impressive!

Well thank you, it is a work in progress.

I don't know what rock people crawl out from under that they think they can treat people here this way. Good riddance.

I assume the diaper comment was because the blue-grey pants are baggy. If they only looked at the striped shirt, untucked pictures, I guess I can see where they are getting "pear shaped", too. And people believe in being "direct" I guess. But really this is more a matter of the trouble I have buying clothes. Most clothes accentuate the flaws rather than conceal them in my case.

But I don't understand how I "don't have the body for fancy clothes". What's so fancy about monochromatic clothes like I show.

In any case the striped shirt is going into the giveaway pile with the Girbaud pants.