How tall would you expect Fragrant Cloud to get?

Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6

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In my hot (max 105°F) /humid/wet summers and cold (-5°F lower limit) /snowy/wet winters, zone 6b, Mid-Atlantic climate, HOW TALL would you expect a gallon size, own root Fragrant Cloud, given good care (no winter protection), get every year, by season's end, at its maturity (age 4-5 yrs.)? Thank you for your input.

Moses.

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

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I think Elena is right, Fragrant Cloud would probabably be about 3 ft in the Northeast, it’s a relative shorty, but not small because the plant is wide and dense. It’s about 4-5 ft in California , which is still a short HT, since most of them want to be 5-10 ft. There is no variety that blooms more, repeats faster or smells stronger!

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elenazone6
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My first rose… still love it! Non stop blooming, about 2.5-3 ft, compact, bushy, minimum black spots. Grafted from big box store.
Nippstress Nebraska z5
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Interesting - I've seen others say Fragrant Cloud is a modest sized rose too. Mine is 4-5' tall and back of the bed for Hybrid Teas. It's tall and narrow in its second year that's basically a 1-cane wonder like Mr. Lincoln, but that may branch out in time. Mine doesn't nonstop bloom so it has a way to go to reach the glory of Elena's picture.

Cynthia
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elenazone6
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Cynthia, this rose is the one that started my rose journey. Her color, bloom shape, and nonstop flowering are truly amazing. One season, I counted seven flushes! Her flower shape and color vary from flush to flush and season to season, making her endlessly fascinating.
Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
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Thanks all! Elena, your bush is magnificent! How much black spot does it get? Does the spotting start early? Winter hardiness? Is it grafted or own root?

Moses.
Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
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Ben, your Fragrant Cloud is a gem!

Moses.
elenazone6
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Moses, I have grafted FC, and it’s winter hardy. As for black spot, this season it started early because we had a very rainy spring. However, my bush regenerates very quickly—new leaves and shoots appear even before the previous blooms have wilted. But if you’re looking for a completely black spot–free rose without using fungicide, this isn’t the one for you.
Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
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Ah! I think I will pass on adding Fragrant Cloud because of your valued evaluations. I just don't need a black spotter...trying hard to keep my "no black spot susceptible roses" initiative. Fragrant Cloud sure is a beautiful rose, though!

I believe one of my Moonlight Romanticas got borer attacked, and way down to the crown. It's been dying a slow death since dormancy break this past spring, and now looks to be in its last throes. I think I have to wait until spring, 2026, to replace it, right now being a bad time....too hot, selection options poor now, etc.

Thanks again all, your advice is greatly appreciated.

Moses
elenazone6
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Moses, I am planning to re home my Moonlight Romantica. I can send it to you this fall from my midge garden.

Estate rose(!). :)
Al Mitchell zone 5b (ameri2nal)
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Own root it will stay under 3 feet, grafted would be up to 4 feet.
Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
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Elena, thank you so very much for the offer of your Moonlight Romantica. I actually have two of them. One is doing very well, and of course the second one is not.

Truthfully, I really don't like the flower of MR that much. It's not exciting to me. It blooms nicely. The flowers do last a long time on the bush here, and the necks are strong, holding the blooms upright nicely. The open bloom is just blah to me. I do not want to replace my ailing MR with another one.....something else instead....that's why I posted a query on Fragrant Cloud, hoping that it would be a tall rose here, 6' or thereabouts.

My search continues, maybe Madame Anisette will work in MR's spot.

Thank you again for your kind offer, but no thank you.

Moses.
elenazone6
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No problem, Moses! MR isn’t a favorite of mine either. Also, she’s getting way too big for my small garden.

Did you buy any roses from April and Ashley? I had a great experience with their bare root roses. They might have an excellent selection for the next season.
Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
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Not yet, Elena, but I will see what offerings they have this coming spring that may fit the bill perfectly. You know, it's good to have new rose sources coming along. Young people entrepreneurs with lots of energy who seem to have a dedication to growing quality roses is very refreshing to behold.

Moses