sorry prairiemoon2, your ”organic” part of the post is confusing. What exactly do you mean by ”organic”? No spraying for pesticides? Not fertilizing with anything not rated ”organic”?. Also are you looking for own root bare root or grafted?

To whatever degree a grower would be attempting to grow organically. Pickering and Palatine were to some degree trying to grow in that way although I doubt they were certified organic of course. and I'm looking for grafted.

fig insanity...Amazing that you have that many climbers/ramblers!! lol Sounds beautiful.

Well, I am replacing a ND that I had growing on a fence for 10 years. I had to replace the fence and tried to dig out the ND for the installation and stupidly thought that because I only was able to dig out a smaller portion of the root system that it was a goner and I threw it out. So mad at myself because I really enjoyed that rose. I didn't fertilize or pay any attention to it and it was a performer and pristine foliage. Mine was grafted. I thought it was better for hardiness was my reasoning. I didn't go looking for that, that's just what Pickering sent me. I've never had an own root rose.

And hearing that you could just stick a cutting in the ground in December and have a rooted rose, ....well, I have regret for why I didn't try that over the years. Maybe it would not be the same result here in zone 6. Some winters I'm not sure we haven't been cold enough to be considered zone 5.

Did you have your New Dawns on some kind of support and just let them do their own thing? I also have a small property and the position for ND would be less than full sun, where it has grown before and has not had repeat bloom in that position.

Fig,

Always a top tier answer from you. I enjoy reading your responses immensely.

Moses.

But..... no suppliers anyone wants to recommend?

Antique Rose Emporium is great. You don't need grafted.

I don't know of anyone who for sure grafts ND. It's just not necessary. The only reason they might graft it is to speed production, and from my experience, a ND cutting, well-nurtured, will out-grow most any grafted variety.

HOWEVER, Austin has it listed as bare root for Spring delivery, and it doesn't specifically say whether it is grafted or not. It might pay you to call and inquire if your heart is set on grafted.

Witherspoon also has ND listed without specifying it's grafted. But they DO have an own root section, and ND isn't there, so I assume by it NOT being listed in the own root section, that it's grafted. Again, I would call and ask. Good luck.

The important thing with New Dawn is to see if you can get it virus-indexed. This was one of the things about Pickering - they took virus seriously. I had virused New Dawns that did great for a few years, then they petered out. That is typical of virused roses in colder climates.

Grafted vs. own-root isn't a big deal in this case. You only need grafted plants if the rose isn't vigorous on its own roots.

As for the rest of your wants, it is very rare for own-root roses to be sold as bareroots. They are usually sold as relatively small, potted plants. This wouldn't worry me with a vigorous rose like New Dawn, so long as they were scheduled for spring delivery. Unfortunately, for most growers that means June, since they apparently aren't aware that roses are hardy plants that are planted around here in early May. For New Dawn, that isn't a big deal, just be aware of it.

Reputable rose growers aren't organic. It's just too difficult, like growing apples around here. What you are looking for is IPM. So if an organic solution works, that's what they do, but chemicals aren't ruled out if they are necessary.

Losing Pickering has left an enormous hole. I honestly don't know where roses come from currently, and it seems that nobody else does either.

Mad Gallica! Thank you - I knew there was something about Pickering that was different! I just didn’t realize what it was specifically. Virus indexed, huh? Wow. Every single plant I bought from them was so healthy and I still have all of them except the New Dawn. I still can’t believe how stupid I was about not keeping it going.

And I see now that I was missing other information that was keeping me uncertain about trying to get another New Dawn. I will stop expecting that I need the bare root and even if I get a potted NewDawn late - in June - as you said…ND is vigorous, not a problem.

But…it sounds like no one else does the virus indexing? Maybe I will spend some time calling around and asking more questions. I was so hopeful that Pickering was going to continue with the next generation, but I assume the way they did it was a lot of work. It’s too bad.

Fig Insanity - Shelia - Okay…grafted not necessary. If I find a good New Dawn it will be my first own rooted.

I will spend some time calling around. Is there a list of rose growers somewhere?

Thank you all!

here is the list of my top trusted vendors in no particular order. I have bought several houndreds of great roses from these people over the last 10 years. no organic claims made by any of them that I am aware of, but some of the best available to my knowledge.

Antique Rose Emporium

Heirloom roses

High Country roses

David Austin roses in texas

Petals from the past

edmunds roses

good luck with replacing your new dawn! It is a gorgeous rose.

Thank you Diane - Personal experience with a grower is really helpful.

dianela: does ”trusted” encompass ”healthy disease-free stock” (specified by prairiemoon)?

rifis I will admit I try to keep my expectations reasonable as none of those claim to sell virus indexed roses. I do not know any vendor that can guarantee the requirements previously specified, but those listed are the best I got.

I would be happy to provide cuttings for postage. Mine were planted in the 1930s so I assume non-virused and it does rebloom with dead-heading so not Dr. Van Fleet. @dianela7analabama, i still have CeskePC.

Thanks. I didn’t expect any of them would. I asked the question for the OP’s benefit, as I took her desire for “disease-free stock“ to refer to virus-free. Plus, I saw DA appears on your list, and I remember reading past comments here about virused specimens from them.

I did not know about the New Dawn - virus association, although I guess it’s no surprise.

Rifis - Thank you for asking that question because really that is what I am after. I think many rose growers must offer excellent stock, but sometimes maybe it is luck whether you get a healthy plant or not. Having had such a healthy long lived New Dawn, I guess I’ve been spoiled and just want to turn back the clock and replace it without the disappointment of failing health.

Vaporvac - Amazingly generous offer! I would be thrilled to try cuttings from your rose! And if I could get it growing, maybe it could be an insurance policy on yours? Just let me know what you would like to arrange. Thank you so much!

Thank you for that explanation, that was a little different then I was imagining and actually even better. That sounds like a difficult technique to use on every rose you would grow but if that is what Pickering did, all the more impressive..